Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Fair play Tomo... Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Most real dog men???? What the hel does that mean?,,,,if you mean the coursing lads out on the fens ,,,don't put them up on a pedastel that's just silly talk,,,there just dog lads same as all of us.. No one group of dog lads is any better than any other,,weather your just a guy that wanders up a hedge taking a rabbit with a whippet,,,,or guys that are out night after night taking big numbers of deer or fox... Of course different types of lurchers are suited to different things,,,but to suggest one type of hunting man is a real dog man,,,is a bit pathetic ... SPOT ON!!! Quote Link to post
jukel123 7,956 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I've had saluki lurchers a couple of decades now and I can't see me choosing any other cross anytime soon. I've caught a hell of alot of tackle with them, all over the Uk and surrounding lands....... The simple facts are, i would jack most collie crosses..... Total pish,if you cannot jack a Saluki hybrid you will never find enough graft for a proper bred Collie/cur.Ive owned and worked both types for "3" decades now,geez i bent and bruised them at times,the Saluki hybrids skulked and sulked when they got taxed,the Collie/curs took it in their stride,fed,rested,then went around again.You must have owned Hancock or Otley bred herding bred.Its naive to even talk about jacking a dog,nuggets jack dogs,others work them within their limitations,for year after year after year,even a decade or 2,not the same dog mind,ill leave that to the bull owners that are still grafting and breeding from dogs that died 18 years ago. Come out with me for a month and I'll jack you.... If i went out with you for a month id waste that much time on focusing the cameras and getting my prose correct for the CMW id get little hunting done,possibly about right for both of us now,not that long ago we both hunted with some intent,age curbed my aspirations,dollar curbed yours .Seriously our dogs do the talk,mine are mute . sssshhh............you keep on keeping on. My opinions are my opinions. That's all. But they're based on hunting everything in the British Isles and surrounding islands, both day and night, with a variety of dogs. Not thousands, but tens of thousands of miles travelling. Saluki lurchers are suited to me. My choice. I always say to people who slag me off; I hope they do more hunting than me. They never do. Good Hunting. What type of saluki hybrids do you favour JD? Innocent question-no hidden agenda. Quote Link to post
TOMO 25,846 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I've had saluki lurchers a couple of decades now and I can't see me choosing any other cross anytime soon. I've caught a hell of alot of tackle with them, all over the Uk and surrounding lands....... The simple facts are, i would jack most collie crosses..... Total pish,if you cannot jack a Saluki hybrid you will never find enough graft for a proper bred Collie/cur.Ive owned and worked both types for "3" decades now,geez i bent and bruised them at times,the Saluki hybrids skulked and sulked when they got taxed,the Collie/curs took it in their stride,fed,rested,then went around again.You must have owned Hancock or Otley bred herding bred.Its naive to even talk about jacking a dog,nuggets jack dogs,others work them within their limitations,for year after year after year,even a decade or 2,not the same dog mind,ill leave that to the bull owners that are still grafting and breeding from dogs that died 18 years ago. Come out with me for a month and I'll jack you.... If i went out with you for a month id waste that much time on focusing the cameras and getting my prose correct for the CMW id get little hunting done,possibly about right for both of us now,not that long ago we both hunted with some intent,age curbed my aspirations,dollar curbed yours .Seriously our dogs do the talk,mine are mute . sssshhh............you keep on keeping on. My opinions are my opinions. That's all. But they're based on hunting everything in the British Isles and surrounding islands, both day and night, with a variety of dogs. Not thousands, but tens of thousands of miles travelling. Saluki lurchers are suited to me. My choice. I always say to people who slag me off; I hope they do more hunting than me. They never do. Good Hunting. What type of saluki hybrids do you favour JD?Innocent question-no hidden agenda. Ones with a big chunk of collie in them........ 3 Quote Link to post
desertbred 5,490 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Its the man on the end of the washing line or bailing twine, that limits a dogs abilities or capabilities. Had pures all my life never found them over faced or lacking , As I have got older and stiffer I am the draw back not the dogs. No man who ever he is or thinks he is will ever out run or out hunt a dog, we dont teach them anything in the field we only expose what is already inherent for generations in them. Just get out enjoy what you do let the dogs work and hold the autopsies at the end of the season. 1 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I've had saluki lurchers a couple of decades now and I can't see me choosing any other cross anytime soon. I've caught a hell of alot of tackle with them, all over the Uk and surrounding lands....... The simple facts are, i would jack most collie crosses..... Total pish,if you cannot jack a Saluki hybrid you will never find enough graft for a proper bred Collie/cur.Ive owned and worked both types for "3" decades now,geez i bent and bruised them at times,the Saluki hybrids skulked and sulked when they got taxed,the Collie/curs took it in their stride,fed,rested,then went around again.You must have owned Hancock or Otley bred herding bred.Its naive to even talk about jacking a dog,nuggets jack dogs,others work them within their limitations,for year after year after year,even a decade or 2,not the same dog mind,ill leave that to the bull owners that are still grafting and breeding from dogs that died 18 years ago. Come out with me for a month and I'll jack you.... If i went out with you for a month id waste that much time on focusing the cameras and getting my prose correct for the CMW id get little hunting done,possibly about right for both of us now,not that long ago we both hunted with some intent,age curbed my aspirations,dollar curbed yours .Seriously our dogs do the talk,mine are mute . sssshhh............you keep on keeping on. My opinions are my opinions. That's all. But they're based on hunting everything in the British Isles and surrounding islands, both day and night, with a variety of dogs. Not thousands, but tens of thousands of miles travelling. Saluki lurchers are suited to me. My choice. I always say to people who slag me off; I hope they do more hunting than me. They never do. Good Hunting. What type of saluki hybrids do you favour JD? Innocent question-no hidden agenda. Saluki lurchers mate. They seem to do me ok, but maybe wouldn't suit everyone. What I have found though, is that the nervy ones are never any good. Socialising is real important. Maybe a better dog person than myself would be able to succeed with nervy ones, but we can only work with the brain we've got can't we. And, besides, lifes too short. I tried with the nervy ones before but they were still nervy and useless in the field. I'm not talking about catching ability, but everything else. We've our own perspective on things, but I think the saluki types have had bad press in the past due to idiot owners, buying and selling adult dogs on, passing them on. Saluki types, IMO, are not suitable for this type of behaviour. They can become flighty and nervy and who can blame them? By the time they settle down in one home they're sold onto the next one. That's how the first saluki types got such bad press IMO. Just like many good lurcher, the saluki types can work with the gun, retrieve land or water, day or night. They can ferret, marking up, honoring nets. they can be used for lamping, mooching, bushing. They don't need a lead, are 100% with stock. And they can have a good chance at catching most things a man's going to bump into on our Isles. I've found the saluki hybrid to be loyal and intelligent and very well behaved. But thats just one mans opinion. There's no right or wrong answer, it's down to personal preference. As long as we're all fighting for the same side, then who really cares. A man's got to keep a dog that he's happy with. 5 Quote Link to post
bird 9,820 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I've had saluki lurchers a couple of decades now and I can't see me choosing any other cross anytime soon. I've caught a hell of alot of tackle with them, all over the Uk and surrounding lands....... The simple facts are, i would jack most collie crosses..... Total pish,if you cannot jack a Saluki hybrid you will never find enough graft for a proper bred Collie/cur.Ive owned and worked both types for "3" decades now,geez i bent and bruised them at times,the Saluki hybrids skulked and sulked when they got taxed,the Collie/curs took it in their stride,fed,rested,then went around again.You must have owned Hancock or Otley bred herding bred.Its naive to even talk about jacking a dog,nuggets jack dogs,others work them within their limitations,for year after year after year,even a decade or 2,not the same dog mind,ill leave that to the bull owners that are still grafting and breeding from dogs that died 18 years ago. Come out with me for a month and I'll jack you.... If i went out with you for a month id waste that much time on focusing the cameras and getting my prose correct for the CMW id get little hunting done,possibly about right for both of us now,not that long ago we both hunted with some intent,age curbed my aspirations,dollar curbed yours .Seriously our dogs do the talk,mine are mute . sssshhh............you keep on keeping on. My opinions are my opinions. That's all. But they're based on hunting everything in the British Isles and surrounding islands, both day and night, with a variety of dogs. Not thousands, but tens of thousands of miles travelling. Saluki lurchers are suited to me. My choice. I always say to people who slag me off; I hope they do more hunting than me. They never do. Good Hunting. What type of saluki hybrids do you favour JD? Innocent question-no hidden agenda. Saluki lurchers mate. They seem to do me ok, but maybe wouldn't suit everyone. What I have found though, is that the nervy ones are never any good. Socialising is real important. Maybe a better dog person than myself would be able to succeed with nervy ones, but we can only work with the brain we've got can't we. And, besides, lifes too short. I tried with the nervy ones before but they were still nervy and useless in the field. I'm not talking about catching ability, but everything else. We've our own perspective on things, but I think the saluki types have had bad press in the past due to idiot owners, buying and selling adult dogs on, passing them on. Saluki types, IMO, are not suitable for this type of behaviour. They can become flighty and nervy and who can blame them? By the time they settle down in one home they're sold onto the next one. That's how the first saluki types got such bad press IMO. Just like many good lurcher, the saluki types can work with the gun, retrieve land or water, day or night. They can ferret, marking up, honoring nets. they can be used for lamping, mooching, bushing. They don't need a lead, are 100% with stock. And they can have a good chance at catching most things a man's going to bump into on our Isles. I've found the saluki hybrid to be loyal and intelligent and very well behaved. But thats just one mans opinion. There's no right or wrong answer, it's down to personal preference. As long as we're all fighting for the same side, then who really cares. A man's got to keep a dog that he's happy with. when you say nervy type, would you say on average there a lot in saluki x and pure , than in other breeds of dog,? I know you get fair amount in collies, gsds, but when you put any type of breed x back to a running dog = greyhound,whippet ,etc which a lot can be nervy/sensitive you hell of a chance of ending up with nervy type animal from these type of breeding, that's why I like bit of bull in lurcher it norm as a calming affect on the x when back to a sight hound, well that's what ive found over years. Quote Link to post
riohog 5,696 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 its not allways the dog in front of the leash that is the issue with sals , its more likely to be the man behind the leash thats the issue 3 Quote Link to post
robin hood 109 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Handling of pups and surrounded by noise helps pups from day one,if their locked in a kennel and left you tend to get nervy pups Quote Link to post
jukel123 7,956 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 J D how much saluki do you favour in your lurchers, and what other breeds, (in rough proportions) make up the rest? Quote Link to post
welcome 447 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Its the man on the end of the washing line or bailing twine, that limits a dogs abilities or capabilities. Had pures all my life never found them over faced or lacking , As I have got older and stiffer I am the draw back not the dogs. No man who ever he is or thinks he is will ever out run or out hunt a dog, we dont teach them anything in the field we only expose what is already inherent for generations in them. Just get out enjoy what you do let the dogs work and hold the autopsies at the end of the season. If you check it out you may find that man can out run any animal on the planet .Not to say he will be as fast but he can out stay any animal on the planet .Of course not yer average joe but their is a tribe in africa that run their prey to death https://youtu.be/XSybEPLNQ0w?t=44 WHAT OTHER ANIMAL CAN RUN 26O MILES Edited September 28, 2015 by welcome Quote Link to post
welcome 447 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 https://youtu.be/826HMLoiE_o Their yea go Quote Link to post
bonehead 92 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Most real dog men???? What the hel does that mean?,,,,if you mean the coursing lads out on the fens ,,,don't put them up on a pedastel that's just silly talk,,,there just dog lads same as all of us.. No one group of dog lads is any better than any other,,weather your just a guy that wanders up a hedge taking a rabbit with a whippet,,,,or guys that are out night after night taking big numbers of deer or fox... Of course different types of lurchers are suited to different things,,,but to suggest one type of hunting man is a real dog man,,,is a bit pathetic ... I don't rate the fens or there dogs mate when I said real dog men ment to mean most of the guys on here who seem to have used them and seem to favour saluki hybrids by recent post about saluki dogs and in know way ment you were not a real dog man and as I favour saluki hybrids I in no way think iam better than any other dog men or consider myself more of a dog man cos a favour these dogs in my opine I have found through the years that these saluki hybrids will work night after night on all game and do well on them And there abilities can't be ignored or just say they are pish !!! ( without starting a fight with you would you like a cod to go with that chip on your shoulder ) Edited September 28, 2015 by bonehead 3 Quote Link to post
skycat 6,173 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 One of my best coursing bitches, heavily Saluki saturated, was very 'nervy', if you can call it that. She spooked at bin bags on the side of the road when out biking; she was super touch sensitive, totally couldn't stand crowds or pushy dogs that barged into her, but on a hare she was committed, clever and just amazing to watch and retrieved all her hares with a wagging tail and a shine in her eyes. I prefer to call her highly sensitive rather than nervy, and she had been very well socialised when I got her at around 10 weeks of age. In fact I first saw her on a lead, with 7 other litter mates at a show where the breeder was trying to sell the pups. They weren't 'names', had not coursing pedigree as such, and the owners were relatively new to the game. Those pups were all having a whale of a time and not actually nervous in the slightest. There is a big difference between highly sensitive and outright nervous. But I'd imagine in the wrong hands they would have been basket cases. Quote Link to post
bonehead 92 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I think as saluki can have a very shy nature you need to get them socialised as soon as as if left the shyness can't turn in to fear and sometime even aggression in wrong hands I have seen a couple being dog aggressive due to this Quote Link to post
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