Official Thl 2015 Rugby World Cup Thread

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Yeh it looked dangerous but It's a thin line between reckless play and decisions made in fractions of a second, to me reckless play is pulling a maul down or taking the scrum down or something pre meditated, they both made a decision to go for the ball he chose to kick at it caught Williams who knew he'd cop for something whether it be foot or studs, he wanted to stop the English attack basically and put his body on the line as you'd expect of all 30 men on the field

What I meant was I was happy that he only got a warning rather than a ban.

[Malt 379]

Yeh it looked dangerous but It's a thin line between reckless play and decisions made in fractions of a second, to me reckless play is pulling a maul down or taking the scrum down or something pre meditated, they both made a decision to go for the ball he chose to kick at it caught Williams who knew he'd cop for something whether it be foot or studs, he wanted to stop the English attack basically and put his body on the line as you'd expect of all 30 men on the field

Reckless ain't at all premeditated, quite the opposite in fact. It purely means taking a course of action without thinking through the consiquences of said action with regards to those around you. If it was premeditated it would be classed as violent conduct/foul play.

[Anthony Simmons 22]

 

Yeh it looked dangerous but It's a thin line between reckless play and decisions made in fractions of a second, to me reckless play is pulling a maul down or taking the scrum down or something pre meditated, they both made a decision to go for the ball he chose to kick at it caught Williams who knew he'd cop for something whether it be foot or studs, he wanted to stop the English attack basically and put his body on the line as you'd expect of all 30 men on the field

Reckless ain't at all premeditated, quite the opposite in fact. It purely means taking a course of action without thinking through the consiquences of said action with regards to those around you. If it was premeditated it would be classed as violent conduct/foul play.

 

Would you class Warburtons tackle 4yr ago as reckless play or violent conduct/ foul play ??

 

I'm intrigued as to how you class this incident as what he did had to be a pre meditated action

[johnny boy68 11,726]

 

 

Yeh it looked dangerous but It's a thin line between reckless play and decisions made in fractions of a second, to me reckless play is pulling a maul down or taking the scrum down or something pre meditated, they both made a decision to go for the ball he chose to kick at it caught Williams who knew he'd cop for something whether it be foot or studs, he wanted to stop the English attack basically and put his body on the line as you'd expect of all 30 men on the field

Reckless ain't at all premeditated, quite the opposite in fact. It purely means taking a course of action without thinking through the consiquences of said action with regards to those around you. If it was premeditated it would be classed as violent conduct/foul play.

 

Would you class Warburtons tackle 4yr ago as reckless play or violent conduct/ foul play ??

 

I'm intrigued as to how you class this incident as what he did had to be a pre meditated action

 

It was a tackle that turned into a dangerous tackle, Clerc was a smaller man and the momentum had a big say in that imo. By the letter of the law it was classed as dangerous ie a spear tackle, though imo he didn't start out to spear tackle him, it just turned into a dangerous tackle. Though it was a red card imo though at the time with the emotion was running high I thought it was harsh, just my take on it, Malt might think differently though.

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

 

Yeh it looked dangerous but It's a thin line between reckless play and decisions made in fractions of a second, to me reckless play is pulling a maul down or taking the scrum down or something pre meditated, they both made a decision to go for the ball he chose to kick at it caught Williams who knew he'd cop for something whether it be foot or studs, he wanted to stop the English attack basically and put his body on the line as you'd expect of all 30 men on the field

Reckless ain't at all premeditated, quite the opposite in fact. It purely means taking a course of action without thinking through the consiquences of said action with regards to those around you. If it was premeditated it would be classed as violent conduct/foul play.

 

Would you class Warburtons tackle 4yr ago as reckless play or violent conduct/ foul play ??

 

I'm intrigued as to how you class this incident as what he did had to be a pre meditated action

 

Like Johnny I do not think he set out to do the spear tackle just used too much force for the size of the player. That said it did turn in to a dangerous tackle (spear) therefore the red card was warranted. The problem we have then is the inconsistencies between referees, as each has their own interpretations of what constitutes a dangerous tackle. It was shown that tackles such as Warburton made, were made during the same world cup without the red card being given.

 

Premeditated? IMHO no.

 

Reckless? Most definitely yes. In that he did not try to put the player back down safely.

 

TC

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

 

Yeh it looked dangerous but It's a thin line between reckless play and decisions made in fractions of a second, to me reckless play is pulling a maul down or taking the scrum down or something pre meditated, they both made a decision to go for the ball he chose to kick at it caught Williams who knew he'd cop for something whether it be foot or studs, he wanted to stop the English attack basically and put his body on the line as you'd expect of all 30 men on the field

Reckless ain't at all premeditated, quite the opposite in fact. It purely means taking a course of action without thinking through the consiquences of said action with regards to those around you. If it was premeditated it would be classed as violent conduct/foul play.

 

Would you class Warburtons tackle 4yr ago as reckless play or violent conduct/ foul play ??

 

I'm intrigued as to how you class this incident as what he did had to be a pre meditated action

 

Just a little though, if you look back through this section you will find a thread entitled "the official Rugby world cup thread 2011" That is where you should be asking these questions. This thread is dedicated to the 2015 Rugby World Cup and as far as I am aware there have not been any problems with Warburton as yet.

 

TC

[Anthony Simmons 22]

the point I was trying to get to before you rudely interrupted was some actions can be reckless yet they can be premeditated at the same time, like pulling a maul down or pulling the man down in the line ect you know it's wrong but you still do it knowing the consequences making it premeditated

[Malt 379]

the point I was trying to get to before you rudely interrupted was some actions can be reckless yet they can be premeditated at the same time, like pulling a maul down or pulling the man down in the line ect you know it's wrong but you still do it knowing the consequences making it premeditated

Dont agree at all.. Reckless indicates a lack of thought leading to an unintended consequence, premeditated means it WAS thought about before hand..

[Malt 379]

 

 

 

Yeh it looked dangerous but It's a thin line between reckless play and decisions made in fractions of a second, to me reckless play is pulling a maul down or taking the scrum down or something pre meditated, they both made a decision to go for the ball he chose to kick at it caught Williams who knew he'd cop for something whether it be foot or studs, he wanted to stop the English attack basically and put his body on the line as you'd expect of all 30 men on the field

 

Reckless ain't at all premeditated, quite the opposite in fact. It purely means taking a course of action without thinking through the consiquences of said action with regards to those around you. If it was premeditated it would be classed as violent conduct/foul play.

Would you class Warburtons tackle 4yr ago as reckless play or violent conduct/ foul play ??

I'm intrigued as to how you class this incident as what he did had to be a pre meditated action

It was a tackle that turned into a dangerous tackle, Clerc was a smaller man and the momentum had a big say in that imo. By the letter of the law it was classed as dangerous ie a spear tackle, though imo he didn't start out to spear tackle him, it just turned into a dangerous tackle. Though it was a red card imo though at the time with the emotion was running high I thought it was harsh, just my take on it, Malt might think differently though.

Been there with that convo aint we butt? With hindsight you're probably right but I still think Alain Roland is a grade A c**t for it..

[Tiercel 6,986]

A bit of good luck for Wales for a change?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34385298

 

TC

[johnny boy68 11,726]

A bit of good luck for Wales for a change?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34385298

 

TC

I'm happy that Cuthbert hasn't got to go against him but Fiji will still hold plenty of dangers for us though Al.

 

We've called up Hook and Anscombe aswell, I always thought Hook should be in squad as he can cover all the back line positions.

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

A bit of good luck for Wales for a change?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34385298

 

TC

I'm happy that Cuthbert hasn't got to go against him but Fiji will still hold plenty of dangers for us though Al.

 

We've called up Hook and Anscombe aswell, I always thought Hook should be in squad as he can cover all the back line positions.

 

What worries me at the moment is their physicality we just cannot afford any more injuries. I have heard that the toilet cleaner in the Millennium stadium is on stand-by.

 

TC

[johnny boy68 11,726]

 

 

 

A bit of good luck for Wales for a change?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34385298

 

TC

I'm happy that Cuthbert hasn't got to go against him but Fiji will still hold plenty of dangers for us though Al.

 

We've called up Hook and Anscombe aswell, I always thought Hook should be in squad as he can cover all the back line positions.

What worries me at the moment is their physicality we just cannot afford any more injuries. I have heard that the toilet cleaner in the Millennium stadium is on stand-by.

 

TC

Me too lol

 

We can't go into this game with that on our mind though imo, we've got to front up and take whatever comes.

[Wales1234 5,514]

Was gone the Welsh camp this morning having physio ! They seem in great spirit with hook coming into the squad it's not a down graded he's a class act that offers different to the likes of scot Williams and johnathan David's !! Excited to see what gartland goes for hook or north at 13 !!

[TOMO 26,175]

Must admit I like hook,,,great player as you guys have said I don't think it's a step down...