neems 2,406 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 A fella I work with has had a tiny collie bitch for a couple of months,so she'll be about 5 months old now,he's generally clueless and is by the sound of things far too harsh on her,she rolls on her back and pisses if he for any reason raises his voice,he then rubs her nose in it and throws her into the garden,unsurprisingly she still isn't house trained,though she mainly goes in her bed (probably too scared of getting caught going anywhere else). I've tried advising him about crate training and trying to build up her confidence but he isn't having it,this worked with all of his other dogs apparently. From his description she's a nervous wreck now,and still a pup,apparently she's bought off a farm and was the runt of the litter which probably won't help. my question is if nothing changes will the dog get worse/better/stay the same? And what would her chances be if she got re-homed to a decent place? Might seem a bit daft especially as I haven't even seen the bitch with my own eyes,but never got a dog in this sort of state so just wondering to what degree she'd likely recover to in the right home? I reckon he'll get rid of her soon,and if he does I'll have a look for myself,but would take her off him if I thought i could end up with a well adjusted dog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,004 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 If she stays were she is and guy don't ry changing his attitude the she will get worse or at very least stay same. If she gets removed with somebody that knew what they doing she would get better, but I doubt you would ever convert her to a bold in your face dog, poor fooker, and by sounds of it the fella wants a dig on chin true, the bloke be better of with a gold fish, tell him to keep away from dogs . collies + collie xs are very clever dogs and easy to train, but they are prob the most sensitive type dog out there, you really need the ( kid glove approach ) with them deff . ive struggled with them collie x greys over the years there fawning nature done my head in , you only have to look at them bit different or god for bid shout at them and they shit there selves . so unless you are very patience type person keep well away from them, and all dogs in general , I ve had to learn to tone it down with them, my 1x gsd x grey Buck the same as Bryn my 1x collie x grey very sensitive soft natured dogs ive learned to chill and( ignore ) them now, and it works well it as for me, but for the sake of this young collie pup, he should let her go to a home with more patience owner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chicken_man 1,651 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 He shouldn't have her or deserve her! This type of collie in the right hands make very loyal dog's. The man has no idea! Take her away and give her a fresh start, leave her past behind and go forward with her. If she stays there it will just get worse. Atb 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernlite 18,089 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Fecking collie tyre biters lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,761 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Collie rescue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,761 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Fecking collie tyre biters lolOther week I was driving through town,woman stood on side of roundabout ,lovely straight backed collie pup ,just as I got to it I could see it tense up,slowed down and it went trying to lunge at the car,caught the woman by surprise ,luckily it didn't end up under front wheel.I thought yep if I got a collie it would be just my luck to get a hyper tyre chaser,lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Collies are smart dogs and she's still young so I'd say her chances of turning around with the right home are high you really will need the kid gloves on with her though. Give this fella a kick up the hole too, eh? Poor fecking dog 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
planete 120 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I had a collie when I used to work with cattle. I was used to GSDs at that time. Training my collie pup was a steep learning curve. I literally had to whisper to give him commands or he would pee himself. He turned out to be super intelligent and brilliant at his cattle herding job. When doing this he was fearless and could turn any bolshie cow that challenged him. The longer this poor little dog stays with that moron, the worse she is going to get. She can recover from this treatment and make a useful dog but she will need a sensitive and dedicated owner. I have a collie cross here who has taken two years before she felt confident enough to look at rabbits. She was so shut down when I got her, I believed she had no prey drive. She lives for hunting now. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zx12edge 1,001 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Took a young collie x of a lad years ago that spent its start in live on a chain in a back yard with this wanker. Poor thing would cower and piss it's self as soon as you came near it. Anyway cut a long story short with a bit of time and patients turned into a steady dog I only kept him for 16 though lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 He shouldn't have her or deserve her! This type of collie in the right hands make very loyal dog's. The man has no idea! Take her away and give her a fresh start, leave her past behind and go forward with her. If she stays there it will just get worse. Atb He's not getting rid yet,but I think he will,he doesn't listen to anyone and things are getting worse so won't have a choice. I'm not sure I'd take her even if I could,I haven't got room for an indoor dog (especially one that isn't house trained),and not sure how she'd cope moving outside as well as moving house not to mention the work of bringing her round,which isn't something I have any experience in doing. If it came to it I may take her and re-home her myself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) He shouldn't have her or deserve her! This type of collie in the right hands make very loyal dog's. The man has no idea! Take her away and give her a fresh start, leave her past behind and go forward with her. If she stays there it will just get worse. Atb He's not getting rid yet,but I think he will,he doesn't listen to anyone and things are getting worse so won't have a choice. I'm not sure I'd take her even if I could,I haven't got room for an indoor dog (especially one that isn't house trained),and not sure how she'd cope moving outside as well as moving house not to mention the work of bringing her round,which isn't something I have any experience in doing. If it came to it I may take her and re-home her myself. Goodonya for showing such a caring attitude.... BUT,....do be aware,...the Pastoral breeds are not like other canines.... They have been selectively bred and created over generations, to undertake a specific task,...and they excel at this task.....However,..although they have a high intelligence, twinned with a high prey drive (herding is sublimated hunting)...and are conditioned, to accept instruction and have the ability to react with a quicksilver response,....they can be incredibly sensitive to unjust treatment,...and in my experience,....once a sheepdog has been messed up it requires a lot of time and patience to help him forgive and forget,....in short, it ain't no good saying sorry,...the damage is done Before taking on a jukel that has been cowed by a cu*t,...do think carefully if you have the savvy to heal its wounds. Sometimes,... it is best to walk away.... As an aside,...if you ever get the chance,...do give this obnoxious bully a whack in the face, with a ferreting spade,..keep on hitting him,... until he wets himself.... All the best, Phil. Edited September 17, 2015 by Phil Lloyd 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I'm limited for time as it is,so wouldn't take her on unless I was confident it would work out. it may be a while unfortunately,he's a stubborn cunnt as you might imagine,won't listen to advise,won't even entertain using the crate I've offered him to crate train her despite her pissing all over his house and in her bed (though that ship might have sailed now anyway). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chicken_man 1,651 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 He shouldn't have her or deserve her! This type of collie in the right hands make very loyal dog's. The man has no idea! Take her away and give her a fresh start, leave her past behind and go forward with her. If she stays there it will just get worse. Atb He's not getting rid yet,but I think he will,he doesn't listen to anyone and things are getting worse so won't have a choice. I'm not sure I'd take her even if I could,I haven't got room for an indoor dog (especially one that isn't house trained),and not sure how she'd cope moving outside as well as moving house not to mention the work of bringing her round,which isn't something I have any experience in doing. If it came to it I may take her and re-home her myself. Goodonya for showing such a caring attitude.... BUT,....do be aware,...the Pastoral breeds are not like other canines.... They have been selectively bred and created over generations, to undertake a specific task,...and they excel at this task.....However,..although they have a high intelligence, twinned with a high prey drive (herding is sublimated hunting)...and are conditioned, to accept instruction and have the ability to react with a quicksilver response,....they can be incredibly sensitive to unjust treatment,...and in my experience,....once a sheepdog has been messed up it requires a lot of time and patience to help him forgive and forget,....in short, it ain't no good saying sorry,...the damage is done Before taking on a jukel that has been cowed by a cu*t,...do think carefully if you have the savvy to heal its wounds. Sometimes,... it is best to walk away.... As an aside,...if you ever get the chance,...do give this obnoxious bully a whack in the face, with a ferreting spade,..keep on hitting him,... until he wets himself.... All the best, Phil. This old fellah loves bully boys... Sound advice Phil. I was a bit hasty with my reply this morning, frustration and anger. Collies are a thing of mine. Atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,761 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 He shouldn't have her or deserve her! This type of collie in the right hands make very loyal dog's. The man has no idea! Take her away and give her a fresh start, leave her past behind and go forward with her. If she stays there it will just get worse. Atb He's not getting rid yet,but I think he will,he doesn't listen to anyone and things are getting worse so won't have a choice. I'm not sure I'd take her even if I could,I haven't got room for an indoor dog (especially one that isn't house trained),and not sure how she'd cope moving outside as well as moving house not to mention the work of bringing her round,which isn't something I have any experience in doing. If it came to it I may take her and re-home her myself. Goodonya for showing such a caring attitude.... BUT,....do be aware,...the Pastoral breeds are not like other canines.... They have been selectively bred and created over generations, to undertake a specific task,...and they excel at this task.....However,..although they have a high intelligence, twinned with a high prey drive (herding is sublimated hunting)...and are conditioned, to accept instruction and have the ability to react with a quicksilver response,....they can be incredibly sensitive to unjust treatment,...and in my experience,....once a sheepdog has been messed up it requires a lot of time and patience to help him forgive and forget,....in short, it ain't no good saying sorry,...the damage is done Before taking on a jukel that has been cowed by a cu*t,...do think carefully if you have the savvy to heal its wounds. Sometimes,... it is best to walk away.... As an aside,...if you ever get the chance,...do give this obnoxious bully a whack in the face, with a ferreting spade,..keep on hitting him,... until he wets himself.... All the best, Phil. This old fellah loves bully boys... That is stunning looking old timer phil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Sound advice Phil. I was a bit hasty with my reply this morning, frustration and anger. Collies are a thing of mine. Atb Never regret, speaking from the heart fellah...... Collies are my thing as well... Edited September 20, 2015 by Phil Lloyd 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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