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[leethedog 3,071]

I don't know you may shoot me down if you want but didn't every line start with 2 unrelated terriers somewhere down the line ??

[Zilverhaze 1,627]

Do you think hybrid vigour has anything to do with lads making a x from 2 types and getting a decent couple of pups thus setting in ther mind that best to best regardless of type will work ?

[foxbolter 447]

Fox dropper I don't have any problem with line bred or scatter bred terriers as long as it's a genuine worker I couldn't give a dam and I am happy with what I have in my kennels reason being I don't lie to myself and keep dogs that don't fit the purpose I need them for I am a big fan of breeding worker to worker as long as they have a good number of litter brother and sisters that are genuine good workers it bugs me a bit when people think that paterdale terriers are a pure breed when really there's a few sorts of breeds of terrier in them to start

[johnrussell84 2,834]

I have over the years kept and bred a couple of crossbreds. plummer russells. laky rulssells. and border lakies. they all did the job fine. and some did it well. why is it some folk think they have better in there kennel than others when the truth is they may well not have. firstly I hear that you should breed best to best no exeptions then I here folk shouting about close breeding. at the end of the day close breeding is very restrictive only allowing the selective few quality dogs. this should in turn produce a high % of quality pups. that breed to type. I have always thought that you should breed the best to the best regardless of type or breed this takes away the restraints of line breeding.

 

ive asked a couple of lads that breed tight -would you use a dog that was exceptional to one of your terriers . they said no without a pause for thought ..

some of the best ive seen where bred best to best. and they where up there with the best. they may have had mixed breeding. but they had generations of quality working terrier dna. to write this off in a heartbeat seems foolish to me.

 

 

U say it jus the way my old buddy does

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Fox dropper I don't have any problem with line bred or scatter bred terriers as long as it's a genuine worker I couldn't give a dam and I am happy with what I have in my kennels reason being I don't lie to myself and keep dogs that don't fit the purpose I need them for I am a big fan of breeding worker to worker as long as they have a good number of litter brother and sisters that are genuine good workers it bugs me a bit when people think that paterdale terriers are a pure breed when really there's a few sorts of breeds of terrier in them to start

What does the type have to do with it .Applies to all breeds .Your breeding best to best has a limited life mate but crack on as you know best .Your litters that produce a good number of litter bros and sisters would benefit from being put back to the sire ,lol.

[rob284 1,682]

I say do what works for you and dont knock someone elses methods. As their stock may be completely different. For example, a fella who has has the chance of owning line bred dogs who is happy with them would have no reason to venture to other types. Wereas someone who cant get/doesnt have a line bred kennel will have to breed best to best as the starting blood is too varied to have an exact type, e.g you breed this black bitch to this black dog(both have same attributes)and all pups come out white. Unless you have the opportunity of owning a dog were you know its breeding for generations, i can see line breeding working.

[howdeeposxxt 1,449]

Say you go that step ahead and breed your line even closer been hopefull they will make good workers then pups come out with defects faults so to speak physically. Which has happened to the best of people, do you stop their your line has reached its peak or put in an outcross. ????? I no its a delicate balance.

Edited September 16, 2015 by howdeeposxxt

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

You backtrack mate .Everybody i know has a backup plan .Would be very shortsighted to get to a point with nowhere to go.

This is why its important to breed and give away pups on a regular basis .The more limbs to the tree the better the main trunk .

[tinytiger 857]

Do you think hybrid vigour has anything to do with lads making a x from 2 types and getting a decent couple of pups thus setting in ther mind that best to best regardless of type will work ?

has everything to do with it id say-even moreso with 3breeds involved-but the pups come out looking like they have 8 different fathers-wheras with closer breeding things are more predictable-his grandfather used do the same thing etc

[hjckcff 1,738]

 

I have over the years kept and bred a couple of crossbreds. plummer russells. laky rulssells. and border lakies. they all did the job fine. and some did it well. why is it some folk think they have better in there kennel than others when the truth is they may well not have. firstly I hear that you should breed best to best no exeptions then I here folk shouting about close breeding. at the end of the day close breeding is very restrictive only allowing the selective few quality dogs. this should in turn produce a high % of quality pups. that breed to type. I have always thought that you should breed the best to the best regardless of type or breed this takes away the restraints of line breeding.

 

ive asked a couple of lads that breed tight -would you use a dog that was exceptional to one of your terriers . they said no without a pause for thought ..

some of the best ive seen where bred best to best. and they where up there with the best. they may have had mixed breeding. but they had generations of quality working terrier dna. to write this off in a heartbeat seems foolish to me.

 

The whole point of a line is to breed best to best within that line mate .Best to best of this and that can produce good stuff but what then .Its a gamble .The lads that have tge stuff have foresight as well as the ability to choose breeding stock .Producers of producers are the goal not one off world beaters

 

I know what your saying foxdropper. and have seen some very good line bred terriers . but ive also seen good crossbreds or even mongrels worker to worker ...produce on a regular basis. I think a lot of folk think that these worker to worker breedings are done with little or no forethought when in reality there is often a lot of thought gone into these matings. some folk presume that its just a case of the nearest working terrier. they also think that because its note tightly bred its history isn't known. also I have just taken on another crossbred so I now have to champion them. .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

A line need not originate from breed types ,it can just as well start from two cross breeds .The only criteria is that they produce workers .The concept of breeding two types together in the first place however shows the breeder to not have given it much thought and has thrown two together because they work .Would it not be better to try harder to find a match within the breed and not mogrelise yet another specimen .Only my thoughts mind so be gentle .

[howdeeposxxt 1,449]

Thats the usuall case but some do inbreed more so than line breed an maybe an outcross is the answer to physically improve the terrier ive seen this been the case. It may have been done the right way or wrong way but the outcross was needed. And to me niece nephew where on the smallish side due to close breeding. I by no means ecourage this but it maybe needed from time to time

Edited September 17, 2015 by howdeeposxxt

[lurchers 2,921]

If you keep line breeding you can keep type which might be what you want,then if you keep line breeding eventually things to happen like weak litters in size,type and then fertility starts getting away so you might end up with only 1 or none pups.either way once you get your line to its max,put your perfured outcrossing in and then that will strengthen there gene pool again and start filly bellies and problems gone.then hopefully you can then line breed to get back the standards you might of lost as once the gene pool is to weak that's when your problems will start.ive enjoyed reading this thread as there's no bitching just straight crack atb

Edited September 17, 2015 by lurchers

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

The outcross needs to be in place way before that mate ,never let the size dwindle .

[howdeeposxxt 1,449]

But it aint as plane sailing for everyone,for one reason or another thats a fact. No matter what care is put in.