Peter Hitchens Says It All For Me

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But seriously

 

I never agreed nor disagreed with the article but I`ll not stand behind anything the DM prints for sure.

 

I`m trying to explain why people cannot simply take a blind view of excluding everyone because they hate some people.

fair enough, But, can you not see that peoples views of so called recent 'immigrants' is one of not wanting to intergrate with our culture, but in fact the very opposite of this, they want to take over with their demands and making people jump through hoops, whilst we and our way of life are being pushed aside

 

 

Off course I can and I agree, but people need to learn the difference between an immigrant and a refugee.

 

They also have to see the irony in some of what they say.

We cannot halt immigration and let people emigrate.

 

Do we stop Australians coming over ? or Canadians, ? or do we base it on race and just say only white people can come in ?

Or base it on religion ans say no non christians ?

 

How does that work ? No Arabs aloud in Britain ? does that mean I`m not allowed to live and work in Dubai ?

 

 

Trust me here , I am NOT left wing and I have people that I refuse to even talk to never mind integrate with, but we still have to remain a civilised country.

 

And nobody answer with a statement that refers to IMMIGRANTS please, I`m sure I`ve explained that bit enough.

 

i think people are just fed up/ scared/ pi**ed off that the news is full of young muslim males who are being quite aggressive about getting into europe but are wearing decent clothes, have got new mobile phones/ technology etc, clearly not refugees. Plus the ones who are already here seem to not intergrate at all and also seem to be quite racist towards us

 

 

Why do you need to be dressed in rags without a pot to piss in to be a refugee in your mind? Do wars not effect the middle classes only those in poverty? Do you think the really poor in Syria have any chance of getting out? What we're seeing in Europe are the ones lucky enough to have the resources to flee, doesn't make the situation they're fleeing any less dire.

[neems 2,406]

I agree Neems thats why Immigration needs to be stopped , rethought and controlled to within an inch of it`s fekin life,

 

But thats nowt to do with helping refugees

 

The way the government runs things atm it has exactly the same end result.

 

If the government was competent,I'd support refugee camps somewhere in Europe (since you lot are so keen say Scotland) tightly controlled no-one leaves the camp until they all go home.

 

But our government isn't competent,so unfortunately we can't provide a win\win situation.

 

So for that reason we NEED to keep them all out,they're just part of the larger problem.

[underground 48]

 

 

 

 

But seriously

 

I never agreed nor disagreed with the article but I`ll not stand behind anything the DM prints for sure.

 

I`m trying to explain why people cannot simply take a blind view of excluding everyone because they hate some people.

fair enough, But, can you not see that peoples views of so called recent 'immigrants' is one of not wanting to intergrate with our culture, but in fact the very opposite of this, they want to take over with their demands and making people jump through hoops, whilst we and our way of life are being pushed aside

 

 

Off course I can and I agree, but people need to learn the difference between an immigrant and a refugee.

 

They also have to see the irony in some of what they say.

We cannot halt immigration and let people emigrate.

 

Do we stop Australians coming over ? or Canadians, ? or do we base it on race and just say only white people can come in ?

Or base it on religion ans say no non christians ?

 

How does that work ? No Arabs aloud in Britain ? does that mean I`m not allowed to live and work in Dubai ?

 

 

Trust me here , I am NOT left wing and I have people that I refuse to even talk to never mind integrate with, but we still have to remain a civilised country.

 

And nobody answer with a statement that refers to IMMIGRANTS please, I`m sure I`ve explained that bit enough.

 

i think people are just fed up/ scared/ pi**ed off that the news is full of young muslim males who are being quite aggressive about getting into europe but are wearing decent clothes, have got new mobile phones/ technology etc, clearly not refugees. Plus the ones who are already here seem to not intergrate at all and also seem to be quite racist towards us

 

 

Why do you need to be dressed in rags without a pot to piss in to be a refugee in your mind? Do wars not effect the middle classes only those in poverty? Do you think the really poor in Syria have any chance of getting out? What we're seeing in Europe are the ones lucky enough to have the resources to flee, doesn't make the situation they're fleeing any less dire.

 

if you were genuinely a refugee would you not be happy/relieved that the first country that welcomed you would do until it was safe to return to you home country OR would you make demands about what country you would LIKE to end up in with no intention of EVER going home

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

 

 

 

But seriously

 

I never agreed nor disagreed with the article but I`ll not stand behind anything the DM prints for sure.

 

I`m trying to explain why people cannot simply take a blind view of excluding everyone because they hate some people.

fair enough, But, can you not see that peoples views of so called recent 'immigrants' is one of not wanting to intergrate with our culture, but in fact the very opposite of this, they want to take over with their demands and making people jump through hoops, whilst we and our way of life are being pushed aside

 

 

Off course I can and I agree, but people need to learn the difference between an immigrant and a refugee.

 

They also have to see the irony in some of what they say.

We cannot halt immigration and let people emigrate.

 

Do we stop Australians coming over ? or Canadians, ? or do we base it on race and just say only white people can come in ?

Or base it on religion ans say no non christians ?

 

How does that work ? No Arabs aloud in Britain ? does that mean I`m not allowed to live and work in Dubai ?

 

 

Trust me here , I am NOT left wing and I have people that I refuse to even talk to never mind integrate with, but we still have to remain a civilised country.

 

And nobody answer with a statement that refers to IMMIGRANTS please, I`m sure I`ve explained that bit enough.

 

i think people are just fed up/ scared/ pi**ed off that the news is full of young muslim males who are being quite aggressive about getting into europe but are wearing decent clothes, have got new mobile phones/ technology etc, clearly not refugees. Plus the ones who are already here seem to not intergrate at all and also seem to be quite racist towards us

 

 

Why do you need to be dressed in rags without a pot to piss in to be a refugee in your mind? Do wars not effect the middle classes only those in poverty? Do you think the really poor in Syria have any chance of getting out? What we're seeing in Europe are the ones lucky enough to have the resources to flee, doesn't make the situation they're fleeing any less dire.

 

if you were genuinely a refugee would you not be happy/relieved that the first country that welcomed you would do until it was safe to return to you home country OR would you make demands about what country you would LIKE to end up in with no intention of EVER going home

 

 

"wearing decent clothes, have got new mobile phones/ technology etc" what has that got to with their refugee status?

 

As for "making demands about what country you would LIKE to end up in" if I was looking to make a new life for my family I'd want to end up in a country I liked too, wouldn't you?

[Rake aboot 4,936]

German Jews came here wearing fur coats full of diamonds. They were still refugees.

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Difference with Brits going world wide is that they are vetted and welcome

Host country's want them

Ie Auz' NZ' Canada' USA ect ect

 

Most of these are not vetted

Most of these are not welcome

Most of these have nothing to offer the host nation

 

Plus Rake how do we weed out the economic illegal immigrants from the refugees ?

 

They should be processed in Syria in safe camps set up by the UN not by swarming over borders by the hundreds of thousands.

 

Yes help them in their own countries

Give Humanitarian Aid

 

But don't jeopardise our kids and grand kids futures on a pipe dream that will ultimately fail Big Time with dire consequences .

 

I just hope those advocating letting the Swarms in reap the crime and strife within their families that will follow

 

Also initially those advocating them to come should house feed and pay medical bills till their application is processed

 

Don't lumber the burdon on folk that don't want mass illegal immigration.

 

That's wrong.

 

 

Can you please point out the person here that WANTS mass illegal immigration please ?

 

I`ve looked but can`t spot them.

 

 

Can you also try and differentiate between immigrants and refugees from now on bud so that I know what group of people you`re on about.?

 

Cheers muchly.

 

Sorry I forgot a bit

 

About where do we weed out the genuine etc. I mentioned that earlier,, the only people coming here from Iraq, Afganistan, Syria should be from UN sanctioned and set up refugee camps

[underground 48]

 

 

 

 

 

 

But seriously

 

I never agreed nor disagreed with the article but I`ll not stand behind anything the DM prints for sure.

 

I`m trying to explain why people cannot simply take a blind view of excluding everyone because they hate some people.

fair enough, But, can you not see that peoples views of so called recent 'immigrants' is one of not wanting to intergrate with our culture, but in fact the very opposite of this, they want to take over with their demands and making people jump through hoops, whilst we and our way of life are being pushed aside

 

 

Off course I can and I agree, but people need to learn the difference between an immigrant and a refugee.

 

They also have to see the irony in some of what they say.

We cannot halt immigration and let people emigrate.

 

Do we stop Australians coming over ? or Canadians, ? or do we base it on race and just say only white people can come in ?

Or base it on religion ans say no non christians ?

 

How does that work ? No Arabs aloud in Britain ? does that mean I`m not allowed to live and work in Dubai ?

 

 

Trust me here , I am NOT left wing and I have people that I refuse to even talk to never mind integrate with, but we still have to remain a civilised country.

 

And nobody answer with a statement that refers to IMMIGRANTS please, I`m sure I`ve explained that bit enough.

 

i think people are just fed up/ scared/ pi**ed off that the news is full of young muslim males who are being quite aggressive about getting into europe but are wearing decent clothes, have got new mobile phones/ technology etc, clearly not refugees. Plus the ones who are already here seem to not intergrate at all and also seem to be quite racist towards us

 

 

Why do you need to be dressed in rags without a pot to piss in to be a refugee in your mind? Do wars not effect the middle classes only those in poverty? Do you think the really poor in Syria have any chance of getting out? What we're seeing in Europe are the ones lucky enough to have the resources to flee, doesn't make the situation they're fleeing any less dire.

 

if you were genuinely a refugee would you not be happy/relieved that the first country that welcomed you would do until it was safe to return to you home country OR would you make demands about what country you would LIKE to end up in with no intention of EVER going home

 

 

"wearing decent clothes, have got new mobile phones/ technology etc" what has that got to with their refugee status?

 

As for "making demands about what country you would LIKE to end up in" if I was looking to make a new life for my family I'd want to end up in a country I liked too, wouldn't you?

 

No, I would quite like my country to sort its act out, stop fooking about and myself and family could crack on as normal doing whatever floats our boat, (which in our case is working hard during the week, ferreting, beating with the springers, digging with the terriers and being a connoisseur of real ales)

[shepp 2,285]

I would just like the country to stop, take a breather, look at itself and decide what sort of country the majority of us want, while we still are the majority that is.

I was hoping Cameron with his cutting immigration to 'tens of thousands' would give us half a chance.

I don't really care if it costs us or makes us money having so many immigrants here, I would even prefer to be a bit poorer or work a few more years if it meant this country was less crowded and we could try and repair the damage done by Labour and not helped by this government.

[treecreeper 1,136]

 

I watched it on the news briefly last night bloke doing a piece to camera and one of these so called refugees walked past behind him on an iPhone.

 

Having an Iphone makes you immune to the dangers of living in a warzone then? How does owning an Iphone effect his status as a refugee?

 

Think someone is getting confused between economic migrants and refugees...

 

aint getting confused about anything, just that they aint all got nowt or come from Syria a lot of them just jumping on the band wagon, if they are all who they say they were they would be happy to stay in the first safe country they come to, not trying to get to Germany or here.

[ftm 3,357]

just been on news we accepting 15000 now! 4000 other day? scameron will regret this come next election ---I still wont vote liebour though

[antg 1,782]

 

 

I watched it on the news briefly last night bloke doing a piece to camera and one of these so called refugees walked past behind him on an iPhone.

 

Having an Iphone makes you immune to the dangers of living in a warzone then? How does owning an Iphone effect his status as a refugee?

 

Think someone is getting confused between economic migrants and refugees...

 

aint getting confused about anything, just that they aint all got nowt or come from Syria a lot of them just jumping on the band wagon, if they are all who they say they were they would be happy to stay in the first safe country they come to, not trying to get to Germany or here.

 

i couldnt agree more.

if they were that terrified ( and im sure they are in some cases) they would be that overwhelmed and be glad to stay in the first safe country that they managed to get to.

it seems they have it all planned out that they want to be in germany / uk etc because of the economical benefits. now dont get me wrong, you would want the best for your family if you were in that situation but surely your family's safety comes first above anything else

[twobob 1,497]

 

 

 

I watched it on the news briefly last night bloke doing a piece to camera and one of these so called refugees walked past behind him on an iPhone.

 

Having an Iphone makes you immune to the dangers of living in a warzone then? How does owning an Iphone effect his status as a refugee?

 

Think someone is getting confused between economic migrants and refugees...

 

aint getting confused about anything, just that they aint all got nowt or come from Syria a lot of them just jumping on the band wagon, if they are all who they say they were they would be happy to stay in the first safe country they come to, not trying to get to Germany or here.

 

i couldnt agree more.

if they were that terrified ( and im sure they are in some cases) they would be that overwhelmed and be glad to stay in the first safe country that they managed to get to.

it seems they have it all planned out that they want to be in germany / uk etc because of the economical benefits. now dont get me wrong, you would want the best for your family if you were in that situation but surely your family's safety comes first above anything else

 

exactly and surely you wouldnt want to be all the way over here if you were going back when its sorted

[shepp 2,285]

It's up to them to try their luck, it's up to us to stop them, if they are taking the illegal route.

[shepp 2,285]

Reports of Bangladeshi'Pakistani' Afghsni ect ect

Papers'passports ect being found in Serbian fields approaching Hungry .

These Economic Illegal Immigrants all trying the guise of Syrian Refugees

Many of them know exactly what they are doing, latch on to the real refugees and duck under the radar.

The ones that kicked up a fuss were probably economic migrants from elsewhere,they know full well Europe has no back bone and if cornered they can bully and demand what they want.

They may have got a bit of a surprise from the Hungarians, but once the cameras are on them, then they know they can use their well thought out bullying tactics.

[undisputed 1,664]

 

I agree Neems thats why Immigration needs to be stopped , rethought and controlled to within an inch of it`s fekin life,

 

But thats nowt to do with helping refugees

 

The way the government runs things atm it has exactly the same end result.

 

If the government was competent,I'd support refugee camps somewhere in Europe (since you lot are so keen say Scotland) tightly controlled no-one leaves the camp until they all go home.

 

But our government isn't competent,so unfortunately we can't provide a win\win situation.

 

So for that reason we NEED to keep them all out,they're just part of the larger problem.

 

We already have `Detention Centres" in Scotland (Dungavel) for illegals and those waiting to have their status assessed before being let in. Some families have been there for over a year.