Ireland's Asylum Surge

[jacknife 2,005]

I'm a little saddened by reading this thread as I'm in the middle of watching the 6pm news. Very distressing scenes in Hungary and two toddlers washed up drowned on a beach in Turkey.

Unfortunately life is cruel

 

How many British kids were sentenced to death this year because the NHS wouldn't pay for medication

[Mustelid 143]

There's no fear from me...

 

It's very easy to tar all asylum seekers and migrants with the same negative brush, but in my view the reality is by different.

 

These people are human beings after all, do they not deserve some level of humanity shown towards them?

 

It's very interesting to see the approach of other nations, the Germans in particular. Who would have expected the Germans to show such compassion given what has gone on in the past century. Older generations of Brits would not have believed it. Perhaps it's also worth making a point that Germany has the most successful economy in Europe and has welcomed inward migration for a long time. A connection between the two Perhaps?

 

Many of the people stuck at the train station in Hungary are professional, educated families fleeing both a civil war and Isis. I can't help but think that they would add more than they would take to wherever they settle.

 

Ultimately, I think all nations have a moral responsibility to help people in need and to help resolve the conflict that's causing the problem in the first instance.

 

I appreciate that not many on here will agree with me, but hey ho, we are all entitled to a view... a luxury not currently afforded to those living in Syria.

[Lenmcharristar 9,802]

they've started an uncontrollable movement of peoples from the middle east towards us in western Europe, how can peoples who come from shitholes where there is no real law except a book by a pedo behave themselves when they get here??? ans. they don't, look at Norway its the rape capital of Europe, not by Norwegians but by muslim asylum seekers, look at Britain and the pedo grooming gangs, the execution of native british on our own shores, no go areas because of muslims in Britain, defacing war memorials etc etc, france theyre wreaking havoc too, so tell me how do you think millions more will be any different?????

[Mustelid 143]

Max, you and I have very different views on asylum, but please accept my condolences for your uncle.

 

I have also seen poor NHS treatment of family members at first hand due to the NHS being overstretched. I don't however feel that more or less asylum seekers would have an impact. The NHS being underfunded is a Government problem on a much larger scale. Also, without migrant doctors and nurses, most NHS authorities could not run.

[ftm 3,357]

now that daft lass from Scotland wants us to let more in !!! there saying we don't let in as many as the germans do --well im sorry but Germany is fckin massive compared to us

[Mustelid 143]

'Instill some morality into them'.... You're kidding right? Are you suggesting that all asylum seekers and migrants are immoral?

[BGD 6,436]

There's no fear from me...

 

It's very easy to tar all asylum seekers and migrants with the same negative brush, but in my view the reality is by different.

 

These people are human beings after all, do they not deserve some level of humanity shown towards them?

 

It's very interesting to see the approach of other nations, the Germans in particular. Who would have expected the Germans to show such compassion given what has gone on in the past century. Older generations of Brits would not have believed it. Perhaps it's also worth making a point that Germany has the most successful economy in Europe and has welcomed inward migration for a long time. A connection between the two Perhaps?

 

Many of the people stuck at the train station in Hungary are professional, educated families fleeing both a civil war and Isis. I can't help but think that they would add more than they would take to wherever they settle.

 

Ultimately, I think all nations have a moral responsibility to help people in need and to help resolve the conflict that's causing the problem in the first instance.

 

I appreciate that not many on here will agree with me, but hey ho, we are all entitled to a view... a luxury not currently afforded to those living in Syria.

Well I for one whole heartedly agree with you pal, you put it better than I ever could. Good to see some compassion for fellow human beings on here, hats off to you

[Mustelid 143]

Some are

One in Scicily just causes a riot with local youth after murdering a elderly local couple

Apparently he also raped the 70 years old lady.

There are some immoral people in all races and all countries.

[shepp 2,285]

Max, you and I have very different views on asylum, but please accept my condolences for your uncle.

 

I have also seen poor NHS treatment of family members at first hand due to the NHS being overstretched. I don't however feel that more or less asylum seekers would have an impact. The NHS being underfunded is a Government problem on a much larger scale. Also, without migrant doctors and nurses, most NHS authorities could not run.

 

 

Immigration from outside the EU has cost our country £120 billion over a 17 year period.

Can you seriously tell me that some taxi driving paki in Rotherham, pretending to earn less than £10k so as not to pay tax. While having his breeding machine pumps out half a dozen kids can ever be cost beneficial to our country.

Not only have a good percentage of the millions of people, who share very little with our culture cost us money, they have also made housing more scarce, thus pushing up prices to unafordable levels. They are more criminaly active, thus costing us money and lowering our quality of life.

They have brought with them large scale benefit fraud, slavery, FGM, sham marriages, grooming gangs, terrorism and counless other negative attributes.

 

If we didn't have a net immigration rising by 300,000 year after year, then we wouldn't need foreign health workers.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

Edited September 3, 2015 by shepp

[Mustelid 143]

In reply to Shepp.

 

I disagree! The you're picking the worst examples you can, I simply don't believe all are like that. In fact, I know they're not. You mention tax... The NHS doctors earning upwards of 100k will be contributing a huge amount of tax. I must mention another example... One of my best friends is an English guy of Indian descent, his parents came to the UK in the seventies with nothing... His father worked in a factory and in a twenty four hour corner shop, often working eighteen hour days. His mother also worked in the shop. Eventually they saved enough to buy the shop, then the flat above it. They had three children, the eldest is a solicitor, my friend is a neurosurgeon and his younger brother is a mechanic. Their contribution to society has been huge in all senses.

[Mustelid 143]

Your picking out a Handfull amongst thousands

Do you think Abdul who came in on the back of a lorry into Manchester but is now living in hartlepool working at a hand car wash is paying taxes is he fook he was blasé enough to tell me how he got here and that he's working cash in hand whilst like the good Muslim he is enjoys Whisky women and sometimes violence within his community at weekends.

The blind leading the blind

You're doing the same as me but from the opposite viewpoint.

[jacknife 2,005]

In reply to Shepp.

 

I disagree! The you're picking the worst examples you can, I simply don't believe all are like that. In fact, I know they're not. You mention tax... The NHS doctors earning upwards of 100k will be contributing a huge amount of tax. I must mention another example... One of my best friends is an English guy of Indian descent, his parents came to the UK in the seventies with nothing... His father worked in a factory and in a twenty four hour corner shop, often working eighteen hour days. His mother also worked in the shop. Eventually they saved enough to buy the shop, then the flat above it. They had three children, the eldest is a solicitor, my friend is a neurosurgeon and his younger brother is a mechanic. Their contribution to society has been huge in all senses.

 

Most immigrants working in the NHS will have come here through a controlled immigration system they didnt sneak in illegally

 

Just because there is foreign workers in the NHS doesnt mean we have to open our country up to all comers in the hope a few may become doctors

 

where would it all end letting anyone in

[J Darcy 5,871]

It's all gonna come grinding to a halt in the end..........It seems to me that there's many out there that won't be happy until the UK is a third workld country!

[BGD 6,436]

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!"

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

the young kids dyeing is horrible but who is to blame? what country was the father in? what shore did he stupidly try to leave, was he in danger where he was at ? why don't they head east either to Saudi if there from that sect or Iran if from the other if the father has gone through one safe country and still risked his kids life HE is to blame