Fen Dogs Vs Lurchers

[desertbred 5,490]

We all have to start somewhere and age doesn't always equal wisdom I'm afraid. Any sport attracts a fair share of arm chair experts but good mentors are thin on the ground.

I'd advise anyone to go out & travel around & see what the difference is in dog's for lamping, coursing bigger stuff or what makes a good ferreting dog etc.

People who are swimming in advice tend to be in need of some advice themselves. Nobody has all the answers. What i would say to anyone starting the game is to respect the fact that the dog or pup you have may seem not to be want but its what you have bought.

Some have earned the right to be"arm chair experts, and are swimming in knowledge because they served long apprenticeships, ,Most lads in my experience are sold a pup or dog rather than buying one . ATB

[MickyB 327]

Fair points DB, but I can only see us achieving direction if we are all part if the same group/club, if this is outdated what is the way forward?

[desertbred 5,490]

if one, two or three lads go out running and it goes belly up its, tresspass in search of, or possibly Hunting with dogs each is prosecuted as an individual , if four or more are caught it can be construed as organised and could become serious criminal conspiracy thats why they like to catch lads coursing with pockets full of money it will happen in the not to distant future a possible test case. . So to put actually working your dogs into a club situation is risky now if you follow me, for instance SACS, will support you only if you are at an organised event with the qualification that you are acting within the law. grey areas of law. Breed clubs or umbrella organisations can only be seen to support certain activities that comply with present legislation .

Edited August 28, 2015 by desertbred

[bird 9,926]

 

We all have to start somewhere and age doesn't always equal wisdom I'm afraid. Any sport attracts a fair share of arm chair experts but good mentors are thin on the ground.

I'd advise anyone to go out & travel around & see what the difference is in dog's for lamping, coursing bigger stuff or what makes a good ferreting dog etc.

People who are swimming in advice tend to be in need of some advice themselves. Nobody has all the answers. What i would say to anyone starting the game is to respect the fact that the dog or pup you have may seem not to be want but its what you have bought.

Some have earned the right to be"arm chair experts, and are swimming in knowledge because they served long apprenticeships, ,Most lads in my experience are sold a pup or dog rather than buying one . ATB

 

and getting the right type dog for that job in hand, that's where some go wrong, I remember years ago , a bloke said to me a dog that can put good show on daytime hare, would be dog that can most lurcher work day+ night , and I think that's right really . I not saying 4 out 4 day dog, but one that can catch good winter hare and put good night in the lamp on what ever quarry it ran in front of it, (not good at one quarry , but not bad at all quarry ) is what you got be aiming for, that why a lamp bred dog bred with drop of coursing blood in its veins is prob as near as you get to good all-rounder for day+night work , dog from proven parents is the way to go .

[paulsmithy83 567]

Alot of dogs capable of running the fens well should have the ability to run any where else if given the CHANCE the fen dog aint no amazing thing it just a dog that normally is only ran on the fens so becomes experienced to that. Many field dogs can run fens aswell if given the chamce and vice versa. It called a good lurcher lol nothing more nothing less. Should be able to run field and fen is worth having in kennels. Fu#ck one trick poneys

[Giro 2,648]

Some good points raised by Micky & Desert bred..

 

If there was such a lurcher club or sub group within the CA .

 

I'd gladly listen, support men like yourself.

 

If lurcher men had such a voice or where able to infltrate the ranks of the boardroom,surely lurcher work would potentially have a brighter future ??

 

I think the youth should be encouraged to do things the Wright way and with high profile roll models they might have a better chance.

 

I was a young lad as we all have been.

 

I've not always done things the right way but through life have relised what's right and wrong,even if it's to my own moral standards.

 

Lads of any age can stab you in the back..

 

You don't have to hand young un's permission on a plate but better educational material stuff like Penny Taylor running dog maintenance book and the right type of dvds,like Phil lyods stuff I remember watching on vhs at my mates.

 

It's all food for thought ..

 

As the the original topic..

 

You need the dog to suit the land you hunt.. Some folk say a good dog should do it all but they don't..

 

I've not ran on a Fen.

 

It's small feild, wire or rough Moor land here.

 

I require a fast but robust type of dog as I want to hunt daytime..

 

On a night time pretty much any cross will put bodies in a freezer..

 

Would these dogs kill on a Fen I've no idea.

 

If I fancied that type of running,I get a pup from a Fen man.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Giro

[tjones3862 3,423]

LETS JUST TURN IT ROUND FOR A SECOND,,MORE TO THE POINT CAN THESE FEN DOGS DO WHAT A MIX BRED LURCHER CAN DO,,,,,

[tjones3862 3,423]

Tomo bitch Won the Calender cup maybe she was lucky but she still won beating some marlin eve bread dogs Kat beat miles dog she also beat the hardbloods at flapping two very fast bitches buy sounds of things would they have suited the plough properly not but I no wich ones I'd prefer the saluki on open land will weaken a hare down but some are like watching paint dry great dogs but not for me have a good season lads all that matters is what's in your own kennel and your freezer lol

TOMO TOLD ME THE DOG WAS ON A DOUBLE SLIP,,, WHAT KILLED THE HARE WON,,,,,,,M,B, RAN SINGLE THATS TOTALLY DIFFRENT,,,

Edited August 28, 2015 by tjones3862

[Francie 6,368]

LETS JUST TURN IT ROUND FOR A SECOND,,MORE TO THE POINT CAN THESE FEN DOGS DO WHAT A MIX BRED LURCHER CAN DO,,,,,

This will be good pal lol

[nothernlite 18,089]

LETS JUST TURN IT ROUND FOR A SECOND,,MORE TO THE POINT CAN THESE FEN DOGS DO WHAT A MIX BRiD LURCHER CAN DO,,,,,

more like it plus get the young lads to take the older generation as they put it out instead of sitting in there armchairs moaning about it lol Edited August 28, 2015 by nothernlite

[paulsmithy83 567]

LETS JUST TURN IT ROUND FOR A SECOND,,MORE TO THE POINT CAN THESE FEN DOGS DO WHAT A MIX BRED LURCHER CAN DO,,,,,

You been in the game long enough so i ask you this. Your snipe could kill a range of quarry on a range of land day or night. Now did that come natural to him or do you think it was about the chances and education you gave him. Would he have killed all around with an owner only running one type of ground all the time and occationally seeing another type of land. Most knock the fen dog but forget they are a lurcher and if brought up and given the chance and same education would run well on other ground.

[tjones3862 3,423]

I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT,,,, PAUL,,,, I NO 1 OR 2 LADS INFACT A LOT OF LADS WHO RUN THE FENS,, SOME LADS PAY FOR THERE UP KEEP AND FARM THEM OFF TILL THE 10/12 MONTH OLD.... SOME JUST KENNEL THEM THERE SELFS WITH NO SCHOOLING ,WELL WHAT YOU CAN CALL ANY THINK,,,, IVE ALL WAYS SAID IFF YOU CAN TEACH A BUDGIE TO RIDE A BIKE THERES HOPE IN MOST BREED OF DOGS,,,,,,FOR GET THE BRAIN FOR A SECOND,,,,MY HEART WUD BE IN MY MOUTH WATCHING A SALUKI GREY RUN SOME OF THE GROUND I RUN,,,,,IT MAY ALL STEM TO HORSE,S FOR COURSE,S,,,,,,,,,,,,

Edited August 28, 2015 by tjones3862

[Bosun11 537]

They are ALL Lurchers, pure and simple, with some types excelling at certain quarry or ground. It's up to the owner to choose the type best suited to his or her needs.... People over label these fecking dogs too much!!

[lurchers 2,834]

Back to the youngsters I've have tried to educate a few even my own sons which have been out since they were 4yrs old with me,now they are 17 and 25 and do they listen do they feck.they don't mind eating the stuff if we cook it but if they are out running stuff it gets thrown in a hedge cos they can't be arsed to carry it lazy b*****ds.ive told them to chance there sport as they are there for the kill not the sport.so if you go by there experience they have been doing it for a few years now and still ignorant as feck like there mates.its not the government thats stopped the game it's down to the idiots that started it off (the subaru brigade)there is more young lads into the thrill of the kill now that has never thought of having a dog in there life.but like I said not all young lads are ignorant and are willing to learn but there is still the people breeding all these pups and want the money instead of looking to where the pup is going to.

[dogmad riley 1,344]

They are ALL Lurchers, pure and simple, with some types excelling at certain quarry or ground. It's up to the owner to choose the type best suited to his or her needs.... People over label these fecking dogs too much!!

I thought a lurcher was a cross between a sighthound and a working dog. A fen dog which is mainly saluki x greyhound which makes that a longdog not a lurcher. ??? 2 different dogs, for 2 different jobs.