Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Alrite guys I was just wondering what you lot think is the best collie type to use in a lurcher (Border Collie,Bearded Collie,Welsh Sheepdog,Kelpie,acd) I'm sure there's pleanty more I just can't think off the top of my head I know it's personal preference but I'd like to here you're thorts/opinions atb guys .greendragon In my opinion,...the Herding breeds are the most variable and primitive of all canines... They realy are,.different to other dogs,.so the actual best type to use in the creation of a lurcher, has to be chosen with great care. When they are good,.. they are very good,..but when they are bad..... You have to consider many things when using pastoral hybrids,..not least of all, temperament,...(the dog's mind set,..and of course, your own)....or it will definitely get, emotional... Edited August 23, 2015 by Phil Lloyd 6 Quote Link to post
bird 9,864 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 You said (none there all shit) unless I read it wrong? I was just looking for a chat about collie xs and to see what works best for people atb mate well i have a lurcher with collie in him , beardie and border , but he also has bull in him. If i was going to buy a collie cross i wouldnt care what collie was used as long as the parents were doing the job i wanted the pup to do ..And imo a collie based lurcher (not just collie/grey) can make a far more versatile mutt than a c/g Why? i think the main reason is the addition of other breeds helps keep the collie sensitivity at bay , but this is just my opinion id still prefer to own a 3/4 collie 1/4 grey than most other crosses lol I wonder what acd x grey like regards temp, I know p/l says they can be very good guard type dog, as acd in pure form good guards and will use there teeth . but don't know if there as sensitive / wimpy as border collies xs , ive had 3 border colliexs and all were in my opinion over sensitive , but saying that my gsd x grey just as bad really , you can up set them dead easy . if the acd x grey wasn't over sensitive type temp, I reckon you have good lurcher and a 1/4 acd x 3/4 grey prob make good alrounder . The ones i've seen have been pretty rock solid Bird,there so happy to please and so quick to learn that IF YOU GIVE THEM the out let for their inteligence then there a easy dog to have around ,leave one bored and hell will be in your yard ,, I know what your saying , but what I meant was fair few coliiex greys have what you call a fawning nature , that they get up set easy and sulk , you know the thing give them a hollering etc , and its closed shop lol, they wont do feck all for you, you only got to look at Bryn in the wrong way, and you may as well take him home day or night . what I meant are they of a forgiving nature , that nothing really upsets them from there owner , I was talking to a bloke to day with 2 labs , and he was saying the one dog was sensitive and had treat it with kid gloves. But the other both males was tougher mentally , that he didn't give a shit what he said to him, he did as he was told , but even as pup he was bold type , and lad said he preferred this temp to sensitive one that what I meant mate, Buck my young dog is very full on in the field he well up for anything, but he like Bryn as sensitive nature. I like the acd xgrey lurcher , and I had feeling that they were tougher type mentally than collies and kelpies as kelpie only another strain of border collie , from what ive read . how come you never tried this x again ,? if there temp what I think there like I think you have very good lurcher , brain/brawn with good stamina and fair pace . Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 I love my collie x's, always have had one or 2 knocking about the place. But whilst they can be the most intelligent of animals, do you really need that level of brain power? They pick up bad habits just as easily as good ones. And as has been said, temperament is paramount. Not just in the dog, but also the owner 2 Quote Link to post
darbo 4,774 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 One thing my old beardy cross had was a superb temperament . Was not a world beater but a dog that really tried and gave his all. i enjoyed every moment owning him many happy memories with this old dog. 3 Quote Link to post
Hunting loon 100 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Don't Lisen to Morton he talks a lot of shit???? lol dribbles at the mouth to 2 Quote Link to post
Marsh Lad 321 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 It's just like being back on the old "collie cur "site Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 It's just like being back on the old "collie cur "site you dont have to wait as long for a reply though! Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Alrite guys I was just wondering what you lot think is the best collie type to use in a lurcher (Border Collie,Bearded Collie,Welsh Sheepdog,Kelpie,acd) I'm sure there's pleanty more I just can't think off the top of my head I know it's personal preference but I'd like to here you're thorts/opinions atb guys .greendragon In my opinion,...the Herding breeds are the most variable and primitive of all canines... They realy are,.different to other dogs,.so the actual best type to use in the creation of a lurcher, has to be chosen with great care. When they are good,.. they are very good,..but when they are bad..... You have to consider many things,..not least of all, temperament,....or it will definitely get, emotional... The thing is Mr.L. is that the majority of lurcher owners and users have one mindset,run and kill,then run and kill again.Temperament is so far down on the list of what is required of their hunting jukels that its dismissed as an unnecessary part of the hunt,catch and kill scenario in their hunting lifestyle.The Collie cur combo and all its nuances,i could not spell intriigues,are irrelevant to all but the few that recognise it for what it offers,emotion is for egos and Saluki owners. Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Alrite guys I was just wondering what you lot think is the best collie type to use in a lurcher (Border Collie,Bearded Collie,Welsh Sheepdog,Kelpie,acd) I'm sure there's pleanty more I just can't think off the top of my head I know it's personal preference but I'd like to here you're thorts/opinions atb guys .greendragon In my opinion,...the Herding breeds are the most variable and primitive of all canines... They realy are,.different to other dogs,.so the actual best type to use in the creation of a lurcher, has to be chosen with great care. When they are good,.. they are very good,..but when they are bad..... You have to consider many things,..not least of all, temperament,....or it will definitely get, emotional... The thing is Mr.L. is that the majority of lurcher owners and users have one mindset,run and kill,then run and kill again.Temperament is so far down on the list of what is required of their hunting jukels that its dismissed as an unnecessary part of the hunt,catch and kill scenario in their hunting lifestyle.The Collie cur combo and all its nuances,i could not spell intriigues,are irrelevant to all but the few that recognise it for what it offers,emotion is for egos and Saluki owners. I think you are jumping to conclusions again Morton. Lots of lads list "temperament" at the top of their list when it comes to lurcher requirements. I certainly do, and I know lots of others do. Sure, there are ones who just want a point and slip. Kill and back in the kennel. But are they really the majority? Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Phil did you ever cross the acd lurchers with a different type lurcher? Yes,.. I used Border Collie x Greyhounds, over my home bred ACD lurchers.... Edited August 23, 2015 by Phil Lloyd 2 Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Alrite guys I was just wondering what you lot think is the best collie type to use in a lurcher (Border Collie,Bearded Collie,Welsh Sheepdog,Kelpie,acd) I'm sure there's pleanty more I just can't think off the top of my head I know it's personal preference but I'd like to here you're thorts/opinions atb guys .greendragon In my opinion,...the Herding breeds are the most variable and primitive of all canines... They realy are,.different to other dogs,.so the actual best type to use in the creation of a lurcher, has to be chosen with great care. When they are good,.. they are very good,..but when they are bad..... You have to consider many things,..not least of all, temperament,....or it will definitely get, emotional... The thing is Mr.L. is that the majority of lurcher owners and users have one mindset,run and kill,then run and kill again.Temperament is so far down on the list of what is required of their hunting jukels that its dismissed as an unnecessary part of the hunt,catch and kill scenario in their hunting lifestyle.The Collie cur combo and all its nuances,i could not spell intriigues,are irrelevant to all but the few that recognise it for what it offers,emotion is for egos and Saluki owners. I think you are jumping to conclusions again Morton. Lots of lads list "temperament" at the top of their list when it comes to lurcher requirements. I certainly do, and I know lots of others do. Sure, there are ones who just want a point and slip. Kill and back in the kennel. But are they really the majority? I think your just jumping for a reach around,if you want kissing on the back of your nape and your pillow chewed,get a whippet. 1 Quote Link to post
Hunting loon 100 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Aye he's good at that Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Alrite guys I was just wondering what you lot think is the best collie type to use in a lurcher (Border Collie,Bearded Collie,Welsh Sheepdog,Kelpie,acd) I'm sure there's pleanty more I just can't think off the top of my head I know it's personal preference but I'd like to here you're thorts/opinions atb guys .greendragon In my opinion,...the Herding breeds are the most variable and primitive of all canines... They realy are,.different to other dogs,.so the actual best type to use in the creation of a lurcher, has to be chosen with great care. When they are good,.. they are very good,..but when they are bad..... You have to consider many things,..not least of all, temperament,....or it will definitely get, emotional... The thing is Mr.L. is that the majority of lurcher owners and users have one mindset,run and kill,then run and kill again.Temperament is so far down on the list of what is required of their hunting jukels that its dismissed as an unnecessary part of the hunt,catch and kill scenario in their hunting lifestyle.The Collie cur combo and all its nuances,i could not spell intriigues,are irrelevant to all but the few that recognise it for what it offers,emotion is for egos and Saluki owners.I think you are jumping to conclusions again Morton. Lots of lads list "temperament" at the top of their list when it comes to lurcher requirements. I certainly do, and I know lots of others do. Sure, there are ones who just want a point and slip. Kill and back in the kennel. But are they really the majority? I think your just jumping for a reach around,if you want kissing on the back of your nape and your pillow chewed,get a whippet. No I'm just correcting a grasshopper, again. Also just for future reference, you wouldn't really say "back of your nape". The nape is the back of your neck. So you would just say "if you want kissing on your nape" or "if you want kissing on the back of your neck". No need to thank me. Don't mention it. Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Aye he's good at that Aye he's good at that Aye he's good at that Look just give him a reach around then post what you and Gaz know on the back of a postage stamp,if you are going to make it a love fest at least post a pic with a warm and tender embrace,nugget. Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Aye he's good at that Aye he's good at that Aye he's good at thatLook just give him a reach around then post what you and Gaz know on the back of a postage stamp,if you are going to make it a love fest at least post a pic with a warm and tender embrace,nugget. Morton if you were to write anything on a postage stamp it would just say "I've had dogs for 50 years". Them silly old fuckers you see on the motorway doing 40mph getting overtaken by lorries have been driving 50 years aswell. But they can't drive for shit ? Quote Link to post
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