Driving Licence ???

[optimus 447]

I have a summons under trespass in pursuit (in that I was caught by the police and witnessed by 2 keepers lamping)& also I was caught by the police with my dog & a lamping kit with the intention of trespass in the pursuit of game. I was actually let off with a warning when they caught me but the Procurator Fiscal deemed to pursue it . They offered me a Fiscal fine of £100 or risk being taken to court.

Our game has always been border line to risk with the law and punishment that is disproportionate to any actual blame from our actions but that is certainly nothing new.

You always have the horror stories from worse case scenario but if you don't want any heat then stay out of the kitchen I think . You can't spend your life looking over your shoulder or you will miss what gets up at your feet ?

[Hunting loon 100]

So because two private indivals ( gamekeepers) Aleadge they saw you lamp and because they found items in car you were charge with intent to tresspass ? Iam in know way condoning poaching but I am being to think that some of these cases are on thin ice regarding the legality of the evidence that the police are actually able to prove and think they are offten clutching at thin air to come up with any charge to get convictions in these cases and have there for decide ur guilt and are being bias in there investigation into these alleged hunting crimes buy some of the recent posts on this topic

[optimus 447]

No no no! The 2 game keepers were standing shining the lamp on me with a German Shepherd & I told them that it had better not go near my dog. Next thing the blue light goes on and we are then joined by another blue light. 2 police cars who were actually quite decent and accepted my story and gave me a warning.

However I later received a letter from the Procurator Fiscal saying I had been caught & witnessed by the police trespassing in pursuit and had witnessed me lamping.

Next charge was i had been caught in the possession of equipment for the intention of trespassing in pursuit (& I expect someone got their arse kicked for not confiscating the kit)

Point was why if I was caught in the act why would I need to be charged with intention??? The answer is that I was caught with intention but not in pursuit of anything as my lamp was off before any police arrived to witness it

 

Did I feel that justice was not to the letter of the law?? no as I had no witnesses & it's often down to who tells the best lies on the day & shouting that they should be out catching junkies or paedophiles gets you nowhere ?

Edited August 22, 2015 by optimus

[Hunting loon 100]

No no no! The 2 game keepers were standing shining the lamp on me with a German Shepherd & I told them that it had better not go near my dog. Next thing the blue light goes on and we are then joined by another blue light. 2 police cars who were actually quite decent and accepted my story and gave me a warning.

However I later received a letter from the Procurator Fiscal saying I had been caught & witnessed by the police trespassing in pursuit and had witnessed me lamping.

Next charge was i had been caught in the possession of equipment for the intention of trespassing in pursuit (& I expect someone got their arse kicked for not confiscating the kit)

Point was why if I was caught in the act why would I need to be charged with intention??? The answer is that I was caught with intention but not in pursuit of anything as my lamp was off before any police arrived to witness it

 

Did I feel that justice was not to the letter of the law?? no as I had no witnesses & it's often down to who tells the best lies on the day & shouting that they should be out catching junkies or paedophiles gets you nowhere ?

ahh the old anything you may say will be noted and twisted and uses against you stuff ( sometimes you own silence is best defence as they can't use it against you in court lol

[optimus 447]

Well they never charged me at the time but yes if your charged then it's"no comment" as giving them a response only gives them notice of what your defence will be & time to prepare.

They won't suddenly revoke the charges against you but when your case goes to the PF or the CPS they may if the facts are favorable for you.

Best advice is to say nothing & save your energy arguing about it until it becomes necessary.

Like it or loathe it our sport comes under undue discrimination but getting in a slanging match with an officer of the law will often bring even more attention to you.?

[bird 9,898]

 

Can they also seize your vehicle?

Yeh they can take whatever they want, your clothes, boots, dog leads, whatever they fancy.

 

and your motorcycle

[Hunting loon 100]

Wish they would take the wive lol