Is The Apbt The True Bulldog Or A Terrier Cross?

[jetro 5,349]

44 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

The true history of the dogs will never be known. The breed just didn't fall from the sky, it likely took centuries of experimental breedings using  different breeds and countless generations of selective breeding. 

The fascinating trait of these dogs is gameness, surely this characteristic can be traced back to the wolf? You can't add something that nature didn't create. 

 

All dogs go back to the wolf, not just game ones

Atb j 

[Greb147 6,809]

6 minutes ago, jetro said:

All dogs go back to the wolf, not just game ones

Atb j 

Of course they do but the trait of gameness must have been there somewhere in the wolf. Just like any breed of dog certain individuals are gamer than others. 

[South hams hunter 8,921]

1 hour ago, Greb147 said:

The true history of the dogs will never be known. The breed just didn't fall from the sky, it likely took centuries of experimental breedings using  different breeds and countless generations of selective breeding. 

The fascinating trait of these dogs is gameness, surely this characteristic can be traced back to the wolf? You can't add something that nature didn't create. 

 

Wolf aren't game by nature; they won't fight til the death if they don't have to. Look at packs and alpha can get taken over without being killed 

[Greb147 6,809]

Just now, South hams hunter said:

Wolf aren't game by nature; they won't fight til the death if they don't have to. Look at packs and alpha can get taken over without being killed 

Some will though just the same as other predators, this trait must get passed on. 

Like I said, you can't add something that nature didn't create IMO. 

[bird 9,861]

5 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Some will though just the same as other predators, this trait must get passed on. 

Like I said, you can't add something that nature didn't create IMO. 

apart from  apbt=bulldogs , what other breed of dog would you say, come close to them for gameness , that  can take high level of pain . over the years ive seen big breeds of dogs, rottie, bullmastiff, great dane,  well bred gsds  , all powerful dogs that could kill 30-50lb apbt , but none have the tenacity  of well bred apbt = bulldog . we had old line staffs  when i was teenager , these were like some pits of today  17-19 in 40 - 50lb , but even them had that hard trait about them , my old dad always kept them on a lead when out , never loose , he knew what they could do. where i lived before  , a bloke had  a similar type as what we used to keep , met the bloke on my dog walk he had this young dog light brindle  , not far of the size above, it was only about 12 months old , not switched  as yet still very puppy. anyway Buck my big gsd x grey  started to play with it, chasing it all over and pinning it down by it neck, he must have done this fookin 7 -8 times , Buck was fooked he must have threw all over the place , this little bugger loved it lol , kept coming back all the while , lol it just in them deff ,Buck strong fit dog , he pulled down a mature dob one day , that had a go at him, that soon pissed off once it got up lol. i always liked Irish terrier  , they make good pet and watch dog , but i read there twats for fighting, and suppose they fetch daft price (  £1-2000 )  no better of we good old lurcher  lol

[jetro 5,349]

28 minutes ago, bird said:

apart from  apbt=bulldogs , what other breed of dog would you say, come close to them for gameness , that  can take high level of pain . over the years ive seen big breeds of dogs, rottie, bullmastiff, great dane,  well bred gsds  , all powerful dogs that could kill 30-50lb apbt , but none have the tenacity  of well bred apbt = bulldog . we had old line staffs  when i was teenager , these were like some pits of today  17-19 in 40 - 50lb , but even them had that hard trait about them , my old dad always kept them on a lead when out , never loose , he knew what they could do. where i lived before  , a bloke had  a similar type as what we used to keep , met the bloke on my dog walk he had this young dog light brindle  , not far of the size above, it was only about 12 months old , not switched  as yet still very puppy. anyway Buck my big gsd x grey  started to play with it, chasing it all over and pinning it down by it neck, he must have done this fookin 7 -8 times , Buck was fooked he must have threw all over the place , this little bugger loved it lol , kept coming back all the while , lol it just in them deff ,Buck strong fit dog , he pulled down a mature dob one day , that had a go at him, that soon pissed off once it got up lol. i always liked Irish terrier  , they make good pet and watch dog , but i read there twats for fighting, and suppose they fetch daft price (  £1-2000 )  no better of we good old lurcher  lol

Is  there any game staffs about now Ray, or anything even close to game. 

Like other breeds it's hard to find a good quality staff pup, I'm surprised you didn't go down that route in stead of the bull mastiff 

 

Atb j 

[oxo 441]

3 hours ago, bird said:

apart from  apbt=bulldogs , what other breed of dog would you say, come close to them for gameness , that  can take high level of pain . over the years ive seen big breeds of dogs, rottie, bullmastiff, great dane,  well bred gsds  , all powerful dogs that could kill 30-50lb apbt , but none have the tenacity  of well bred apbt = bulldog . we had old line staffs  when i was teenager , these were like some pits of today  17-19 in 40 - 50lb , but even them had that hard trait about them , my old dad always kept them on a lead when out , never loose , he knew what they could do. where i lived before  , a bloke had  a similar type as what we used to keep , met the bloke on my dog walk he had this young dog light brindle  , not far of the size above, it was only about 12 months old , not switched  as yet still very puppy. anyway Buck my big gsd x grey  started to play with it, chasing it all over and pinning it down by it neck, he must have done this fookin 7 -8 times , Buck was fooked he must have threw all over the place , this little bugger loved it lol , kept coming back all the while , lol it just in them deff ,Buck strong fit dog , he pulled down a mature dob one day , that had a go at him, that soon pissed off once it got up lol. i always liked Irish terrier  , they make good pet and watch dog , but i read there twats for fighting, and suppose they fetch daft price (  £1-2000 )  no better of we good old lurcher  lol

None of those breeds could kill a decent 50 lb bulldog, I had a old dog with hardly any teeth rag my mother's bullmastiff when I made the mistake of leaving them in charge of it when I was on holiday. Dogs are hard to kill especially bulldogs.

[Born Hunter 17,751]

Sorry, not about pits, I mentioned this guy earlier. Just have a read of the caption.

 

[Astanley 11,564]

What he said 

[Greb147 6,809]

1 hour ago, Born Hunter said:

Sorry, not about pits, I mentioned this guy earlier. Just have a read of the caption.

 

I've always wondered do proper trained attack dogs go for the neck or face,  grabbing an arm just won't cut it in seriously dangerous situations. 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Greb147

[dogmandont 9,775]

5 hours ago, bird said:

apart from  apbt=bulldogs , what other breed of dog would you say, come close to them for gameness , that  can take high level of pain . over the years ive seen big breeds of dogs, rottie, bullmastiff, great dane,  well bred gsds  , all powerful dogs that could kill 30-50lb apbt , but none have the tenacity  of well bred apbt = bulldog . we had old line staffs  when i was teenager , these were like some pits of today  17-19 in 40 - 50lb , but even them had that hard trait about them , my old dad always kept them on a lead when out , never loose , he knew what they could do. where i lived before  , a bloke had  a similar type as what we used to keep , met the bloke on my dog walk he had this young dog light brindle  , not far of the size above, it was only about 12 months old , not switched  as yet still very puppy. anyway Buck my big gsd x grey  started to play with it, chasing it all over and pinning it down by it neck, he must have done this fookin 7 -8 times , Buck was fooked he must have threw all over the place , this little bugger loved it lol , kept coming back all the while , lol it just in them deff ,Buck strong fit dog , he pulled down a mature dob one day , that had a go at him, that soon pissed off once it got up lol. i always liked Irish terrier  , they make good pet and watch dog , but i read there twats for fighting, and suppose they fetch daft price (  £1-2000 )  no better of we good old lurcher  lol

Those must of been some shitty pits Ray. Lol. A little staff pit cross bitch I had years ago had a rottweiler pissing itself in under 5 minutes and did the same to a couple of German shepherds on different occasions when their owners thought they had big tough dogs. 

[Greb147 6,809]

2 hours ago, oxo said:

None of those breeds could kill a decent 50 lb bulldog, I had a old dog with hardly any teeth rag my mother's bullmastiff when I made the mistake of leaving them in charge of it when I was on holiday. Dogs are hard to kill especially bulldogs.

Some of these giant LGD dogs are proper killers and if you get a dog aggressive one with a bit of grit they can finish a Bulldog in minutes. The size and strength disparity is huge, the internet is full of idiots pitting these dogs with Bulldogs of which most won't be anything to write home about. 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Greb147

[dogmandont 9,775]

12 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Some of these giant LGD dogs are proper killers and if you get a dog aggressive one with a bit of grit they can finish a Bulldog in minutes. The size and strength disparity is huge, the internet is full of idiots pitting these dogs with Bulldogs of which most won't be anything to write home about. 

Would they be found wanting if matched proper. 

[jetro 5,349]

7 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Would they be found wanting if matched proper. 

Don't know if you can get them in the same weight category. 

Also a game apbt that's been toned for the game is some animal. 

Although I did see a gsd trash a apbt years ago, and it wasn't the couch potato type either.  But the gsd had the advantage in weight and hight. 

I had a staff that flaked a Alaskan malamute. It was at least twice the size of the staff. 

Atb j 

 

[oxo 441]

No-one mentioned lgd dogs though did they? No interest any more in what's what but 30 years ago saw a video of a bulldog beating a highly regarded tosa and have seen the same with bully kuttas etc Size is ALL they have, big useless twats.