Is The Apbt The True Bulldog Or A Terrier Cross?

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,677]

31 minutes ago, shaaark said:

f**k me, you've got an answer for everything!! I've seen it running with her with my own eyes. I can guarantee that you would break before that dog would've when it was younger.

200 miles in a month, you think that's a serious amount of running? This woman competed in 10k races for wales, in many athletics meetings, and has done several half marathons etc. I don't know the exact distances she used to train, but it'd definitely be far far more than 200 miles in a month

lol 

f***ing deluded , I make you a total liar . 

Two hundred miles is ticking over for most serious runners , in the refine stage you’d be looking at nearly double that with at least 3 half marathons in the final prep week but youd know that anyway . 

my point was that you made out as if this dog is capable of that , I know it isn’t . 
 

 

[Greb147 6,809]

31 minutes ago, Rickshaw swami said:

Hog Hunting in Dixie is done different than pushing to guns.Generally there isn't a gun maybe a pistol sometimes.A man or two, a baydog and a catchdog apbt kept on leash.Ab isn't used here.By the way I hunted with A.Scott and I was asked to bring a catchdog.Some of his buddies had dogos and I didn't like them either.20 years ago Alan kept around 100 dogs.i didn't see any of his baydogs or catchdogs I liked.I think he still alive but had heart attack last year.i sold my last blackmouth to a friend of alans as they needed a grittier dog

This is a brutal sport when done in our traditional ways.Small type bulldogs (apbt) have happily laid down their lives with their tail wagging all across Dixie.When you are legging a live 250 lb boar and your best friend (apbt) has the business end.And with every new puncture he looks at you with his tail wagging.Its an experience that cant be described.The addrenaline,blood ,snot slobber,pigshit,tears.As soon as hog is handcuffed you begin to try to stop bleeders and rush your little warrior to the vet.Usually on the way to vet the addrenaline wears off and you begin to vomit.Its more like surviving a planecrash than hunting.An Ab, Presa,great Dane ,mastiff will not do the job of a catchdog in Dixie.

If I started back hog hunting tomorrow I can guarantee you I wouldn't have AB for catchdog nor any other larger breed.

Two of the better hogdogs (baydogs) I seen were from dog pound.One of the better hogdogs I seen was GWP.

I seen plotts and blackmouths take their death without a wimper.

As a breed jagdterriers was some of the most consistent hogdogs but gotta keep shovel handy

 

Your on the right track Modern day ofrn would be found through a dog called redboy.If you study old magazines redboy was originally advertised as ofrn by Carolina kitten when partners with Miss Jean C before he was shown to be sired by teals Jeff.

I had an inbred deacon bitch who weighed 20 lbs red rednose.

 

I seen some "clouse" dogs from KZ.They were red rednose 30-40lbs 

Alan Scott is from Alabama so saying the AB is not used as a catch dog in Dixie is just not true, only because you or your buddies don't use them don't mean others haven't? 

Who were is buddies and what lines were they using? 

Did you watch that hog hunting film I posted? The AB is doing the job you propose for all to see, how can you try and deny it? 

It's not a comparison to the APBT but to claim that AB's are not used over there and are no good is hogwash if you ask me. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Greb147

[Astanley 11,565]

It would be a shame if this thread went all nasty ,take a deep breath lads and let's all continue to learn together .

[shaaark 10,693]

26 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

lol 

f***ing deluded , I make you a total liar . 

Two hundred miles is ticking over for most serious runners , in the refine stage you’d be looking at nearly double that with at least 3 half marathons in the final prep week but youd know that anyway . 

my point was that you made out as if this dog is capable of that , I know it isn’t . 
 

 

How would I know what distance would be considered 'ticking over'? 

Maybe I should've worded my earlier post a bit clearer. Where I said 'takes her dog with her on training days', I should've wrote 'used to'. 

I have no reason to lie about anything. And I've not even seen her in about year. But I can assure you, she would've been doing more than 200 miles in a month. Where I lived up until a few years ago, she lived nearly 6 miles from me, and she used to pass me, running with her dog, pretty regularly. So that'd be 6 miles from her house and 6 miles back. And given the fact she was always training, I'd say she probably did more than 200 miles in a month. And I 'assume' she took her dog 'most' of the time, but 'maybe' not all of the time.

A bit clearer?

Oh yeah, just because someone has seen something that YOU havn't witnessed yourself, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

No need for insults and name calling

Edited June 26, 2020 by shaaark

[Greb147 6,809]

 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,677]

I agree but the insinuation was that the dog was performing these runs . 
 

as you may know , I’m in the forces , it’s a snco thing to take a dog to work . 

An average week is somewhere within 30 miles of cardio , some running , some tabbing. 
I’ve seen lads take all kinds of breeds and next to none can withstand that basic level of fitness. It’s totally alien . Most dogs break down quite rapidly .  Especially a heavy set type like I’d imagine a bull dog to be with that constant stress on the wrists etc . 
 

It just ruins them. It’s totally different to trotting them, running loose or training. 

[Greb147 6,809]

24 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Before I start gettin offered out haha I don’t know shit about these dogs, iv said before on here all I know an I’ll say it again years back family friends of ours bought some dogs from USA, Scott, Johnson an hines I’m sure they was, meant be first in Scotland an I went an saw em in quarantine once am saw them a few times at his home, some had big basketball heads an others had muzzles off that makes sense, I’m sure the ones they rated best for a bit graft was the Hines ones, ones that looked most pitbull? I think? 
 

well fast forward a few decades an they don’t have em anymore, went back to a staffs an apbt I think last I heard but what I’m getting at is i remember one lads who went over an hunted with them said they didn’t use there own dogs a lot an said they was worth too much, an I’m wmd reckoned the DVD’s sent over here where purely for Sales purposes, an prob only ever filmed a dog do it’s first few before it realised it didn’t want it anymore, like I said, I know nowt

Hines got his foundation dogs off Scott from what I believe but then Scott started using the Hines dogs when he got back in to proper breeding. 

The Painter/Margentina dogs were used for fighting and were game tested against catch weight Pitbulls from what I've read, obviously not on the level of the APBT but they were rugged dogs. 

Also to try and deny APBT was used a lot in the recreations breeding plan is probably fantasy, I'm sure there was still surviving  pockets of the original Old English White's in the States but not everybody could access them. 

Now what was shipped over here I don't really know, more than likely mostly rubbish but I'm sure some lads got well bred dogs. 

Yes and like you said when my cus and that got theirs they got hold of some DVD's and those dogs were the real deal as hog dogs. 

Obviously you can't how a dogs career panned out from a few hour hunting footage but I don't think you need a deep game dog to be a catch dog. 

Once they start getting peddled then they get ruined like any other breed, I've seen more shite expamles over here than good ones.

Edited June 26, 2020 by Greb147

[Greb147 6,809]

16 minutes ago, baker boy said:

Bloke's around folk doing it all his life and you've watched a video, why dont you listen for once in your life

What the hell is that meant to mean? 

Were the dogs on the hunting tapes CGI? 

Now I'm not sure if Pixar would collaborate with some hillbillies to make a hog hunting tape. 

I'd rather believe what I've seen with my own eyes than listen to a stranger I've never met or even know if what he says is the truth.

[Greb147 6,809]

19 minutes ago, Astanley said:

It would be a shame if this thread went all nasty ,take a deep breath lads and let's all continue to learn together .

I hope nobody resorts to that but I find it strange some people are questioning what a dog can do when they can see it with their own eyes, funny old world if you ask me. 

Just because it's on a recording doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It's like me questioning someone who's posted a clip on Mike Tyson winning the HW title aged 20 years old just because they weren't in attendance. 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,677]

But if you watched some  dogs on the fens though, you’d think it would be pointless anyone else driving down 

[Greb147 6,809]

3 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

But if you watched some  dogs on the fens though, you’d think it would be pointless anyone else driving down 

I don't get you? 

[shaaark 10,693]

13 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

I agree but the insinuation was that the dog was performing these runs . 
 

as you may know , I’m in the forces , it’s a snco thing to take a dog to work . 

An average week is somewhere within 30 miles of cardio , some running , some tabbing. 
I’ve seen lads take all kinds of breeds and next to none can withstand that basic level of fitness. It’s totally alien . Most dogs break down quite rapidly .  Especially a heavy set type like I’d imagine a bull dog to be with that constant stress on the wrists etc . 
 

It just ruins them. It’s totally different to trotting them, running loose or training. 

Yes, looking at my earlier post it did seem as though that's what I was saying, hence the reason I reworded it. 

Like I said though, that dog would probably be running many many miles during a week. And he wasn't like what you are probably picturing in your mind. He was VERY athletic. 

Like I said to greb, I wish I had pics of him to show you.

Anyway  no harm done to the thread in the end lol

[Greb147 6,809]

The thread as gone way off topic as usual. 

It's not a APBT vs AB thread cos I know what I prefer, it's about the APBT's history. 

The APBT didn't just fall out of the sky, it is a mixture of other working breeds and hard, selective breeding.

To suggest other breeds can't be good workers in their own right is lunacy if you ask me. 

[JMc 226]

Cheers RickshawS ,I’ll look into those down the hole with Eli blood,heard there’s a difference between U.S Eli blood and Cardenas Eli blood,apart from a few hundred miles,no idea what that is yet

atb 

[Daniel cain 44,966]

1 hour ago, baker boy said:

Bloke's around folk doing it all his life and you've watched a video, why dont you listen for once in your life

He be catching a flight to dixie next, for a straightnerwith some luck he will become unstuck