Is The Apbt The True Bulldog Or A Terrier Cross?

[Mickey Finn 3,014]

5 hours ago, Greb147 said:

Yep I agree, different strains had different percentages of Bulldog and Terrier, hence the massive variation in size & type.

Wow, this is an old thread. Some people confuse a type of dog with a pure breed. What little I know is that the better ones came from Ireland originally. The red nosed variety, which is around the size you mention and still common though diluted.

[hambone 950]

On 15/08/2015 at 14:12, DogFox123 said:

The Eastern Europeans tend to scatterbreed, breeding best to best. It might make good performance for the job at hand but where's the consistency? I for one would line breed every time, you get to fully understand the good and bad traits. If your dogs are losing some vigour due to tight linebreeding or inbreeding I'd make an out cross to dogs of the same family.

Interesting read this even though it's 5 year old. Got to ask you how you out cross to dogs of the same family?

[Greb147 6,809]

16 hours ago, Mickey Finn said:

Wow, this is an old thread. Some people confuse a type of dog with a pure breed. What little I know is that the better ones came from Ireland originally. The red nosed variety, which is around the size you mention and still common though diluted.

I don't know, I think it's fair to say the APBT is one of the purest dogs alive. 

[Greb147 6,809]

14 hours ago, hambone said:

Interesting read this even though it's 5 year old. Got to ask you how you out cross to dogs of the same family?

You can't,  must have been a typo. 

Thanks for  pointing it out. 

 

Edited June 21, 2020 by Greb147

[Greb147 6,809]

I wonder where Mr Cooney is now? 

I can't agree with him that the APBT is the original Bulldog, there's too much evidence and documentation present to see terrier was added to the mix. 

The APBT fanciers won't like this but I think the old American Bulldog types that were in the deep south  are closer to the original Bulldog than the APBT. 

Edited June 21, 2020 by Greb147

[Rickshaw swami 4,123]

6 hours ago, Greb147 said:

I wonder where Mr Cooney is now? 

I can't agree with him that the APBT is the original Bulldog, there's too much evidence and documentation present to see terrier was added to the mix. 

The APBT fanciers won't like this but I think the old American Bulldog types that were in the deep south  are closer to the original Bulldog than the APBT. 

Speaking as a boy who grew up in Alabama I hope your wrong.American bulldogs are nothing impressive from a hog hunting stand point.They can be good guard dogs.But I grew up hog hunting with some of the founders of American bulldog.They are not a true catchdog.As a true catchdog in Dixie will sieze an ear and will not release until dead or dog is removed by a breakstick.A dog of this type is needed to protect his owner.American bulldogs don't do that on big boar hog.Ive seen jagdterriers of my dad's with twice the grit of American bulldog.Seen some black mouth curs with more grit than ab This is what I have seen in several states across Dixie.I have never knew a serious hog hunter here  who used them.A good jag,catahoula, blackmouth for baydog and one catchdog.(apbt) This is how it's traditionally done here.Leg hog and throw him and handcuff.Ive never seen an AB I trusted enough to leg a hog.

Just my experiences

[C.green 3,231]

1 hour ago, Rickshaw swami said:

Speaking as a boy who grew up in Alabama I hope your wrong.American bulldogs are nothing impressive from a hog hunting stand point.They can be good guard dogs.But I grew up hog hunting with some of the founders of American bulldog.They are not a true catchdog.As a true catchdog in Dixie will sieze an ear and will not release until dead or dog is removed by a breakstick.A dog of this type is needed to protect his owner.American bulldogs don't do that on big boar hog.Ive seen jagdterriers of my dad's with twice the grit of American bulldog.Seen some black mouth curs with more grit than ab This is what I have seen in several states across Dixie.I have never knew a serious hog hunter here  who used them.A good jag,catahoula, blackmouth for baydog and one catchdog.(apbt) This is how it's traditionally done here.Leg hog and throw him and handcuff.Ive never seen an AB I trusted enough to leg a hog.

Just my experiences

The presa not caught on for holding pigs there yet feller ? 

[Greb147 6,809]

2 hours ago, Rickshaw swami said:

Speaking as a boy who grew up in Alabama I hope your wrong.American bulldogs are nothing impressive from a hog hunting stand point.They can be good guard dogs.But I grew up hog hunting with some of the founders of American bulldog.They are not a true catchdog.As a true catchdog in Dixie will sieze an ear and will not release until dead or dog is removed by a breakstick.A dog of this type is needed to protect his owner.American bulldogs don't do that on big boar hog.Ive seen jagdterriers of my dad's with twice the grit of American bulldog.Seen some black mouth curs with more grit than ab This is what I have seen in several states across Dixie.I have never knew a serious hog hunter here  who used them.A good jag,catahoula, blackmouth for baydog and one catchdog.(apbt) This is how it's traditionally done here.Leg hog and throw him and handcuff.Ive never seen an AB I trusted enough to leg a hog.

Just my experiences

Wrong about what?

Look at pics of the Southern White's in the 1800's, they look more Bulldog than any type I know of. It's only guesswork but these farm dogs of the south visibly had no terrier blood in them, maybe these catch dogs/farm dogs were renditions of the original Bulldog. 

Speaking of the American Bulldogs ability as an hog dog, I've seen DVD's of them doing the job just fine. The breeder of my cousins dog in the early 2000's gave him a copy when he bought his pup, I'll see if he still has it. 

Of course they won't have the gameness of an APBT but that extra weight and strength gives the dog more stopping power. I don't know what dogs you have seen but these American Bulldogs were certainly doing the job needed. 

Edited June 21, 2020 by Greb147

[Night Walker 591]

59 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Wrong about what?

Look at pics of the Southern White's in the 1800's, they look more Bulldog than any type I know of. It's only guesswork but these farm dogs of the south visibly had no terrier blood in them, maybe these catch dogs/farm dogs were renditions of the original Bulldog. 

Speaking of the American Bulldogs ability as an hog dog, I've seen DVD's of them doing the job just fine. The breeder of my cousins dog in the early 2000's gave him a copy when he bought his pup, I'll see if he still has it. 

Of course they won't have the gameness of an APBT but that extra weight and strength gives the dog more stopping power. I don't know what dogs you have seen but these American Bulldogs were certainly doing the job needed. 

Hog hammer blood? 

[Mickey Finn 3,014]

10 hours ago, Greb147 said:

I don't know, I think it's fair to say the APBT is one of the purest dogs alive. 

Sorry Greb, I'm not sure what you mean by that.

[Greb147 6,809]

28 minutes ago, Night Walker said:

Hog hammer blood? 

I'm not exactly sure tbh, he was a grand looking Am Bull tbh and not overdone like those sloppy Johnson types. 

Don't quote me on it but I think he got him from down near Retford way, I'll ask him when I bump in to him. 

I do remember the DVD's they had and those dogs in the US were the real deal, I believe it was in Florida where they were hunting. 

When you look at the old pics of those early farm dogs in the south you can clearly see that they are a type of Bulldog, this was around 100 years before the breed started getting recreated in the 70's and 80's.

[Greb147 6,809]

45 minutes ago, Mickey Finn said:

Sorry Greb, I'm not sure what you mean by that.

What I said mate, the APBT has been untouched for over a century at least IMO. 

Not many breeds can really say that. 

Edited June 21, 2020 by Greb147

[Greb147 6,809]

1 hour ago, Night Walker said:

Hog hammer blood? 

Just seen this pic on his FB, you'll know better than me I'm guessing? 

[Blackmag 6,097]

It's a interesting and good thread to be fair have you owned and worked this type gred 

[Night Walker 591]

15 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Just seen this pic on his FB, you'll know better than me I'm guessing? 

Looks a nice type mate. Same as anything though you only know what you got through work, these types were bred to f**k for money in the 90's