runem 533 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 getting back to the original question, is there terrier blood in the A.P.B.T? i think we all accept that the A.P.B.T. was born out of dogs that left our shores a few centuries back. The dogs that left our shores were born out of the old "bull and TERRIER" crosses. so by that rational, yes there is terrier blood in the A.P.B.T. how much we'll never know, i.m.o. just enough... Yokel After 119 replies Yokel just answered the question,for me its all in the name apb TERRIER. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,542 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Some intresting reading on this http://www.bulldoginformation.com/bull-and-terrier-breeds.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j1985 1,983 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 If theres no terrier blood in Pits but there is in staffys an Ebt's then why the feck is there such a similarity between the breeds ??? I think most people that disagree are either up some legends hoop ( just cos they bred ch's it doesnt stop them being wrong ) or its some bravado thing that a terrier could never possibly be enough dog to create a breed such as the almighty pit bull.... Suppose none of us will never know 100% but my moneys on them being a bull and terrier mix originally. Some lads in sweden bred a patt to a performance bred American bulldog, guess what they looked like 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 There seems to be a bit of boxer in the apt, or vice versa, boxer dogs hundred years ago look very similar to pitbulls Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lusitano 294 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Dogfox123 of course it's just my opinion, like the rest of this thread is everybody else's opinion. We will never know for sure what was really used for definite, but I would say that not only were crosses made of different bull and terrier types but a few other breeds were sneaked in there from other countries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Anyone got any opinions on breeding? Never had a real interest in it but another subject thats got so many different ideas and opinions. I know pedigrees dont make the dogs but people have their own ideas on what increases the chances of producing good dogs. Can say worker to worker but given the choice bet everyone would rather something bred tight than scatterbred. Maybe peoples opinions on breeding terriers can be crossed over for pits and vise versa. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Anyone got any opinions on breeding? Never had a real interest in it but another subject thats got so many different ideas and opinions. I know pedigrees dont make the dogs but people have their own ideas on what increases the chances of producing good dogs. Can say worker to worker but given the choice bet everyone would rather something bred tight than scatterbred. Maybe peoples opinions on breeding terriers can be crossed over for pits and vise versa. The Eastern Europeans tend to scatterbreed, breeding best to best. It might make good performance for the job at hand but where's the consistency? I for one would line breed every time, you get to fully understand the good and bad traits. If your dogs are losing some vigour due to tight linebreeding or inbreeding I'd make an out cross to dogs of the same family. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j1985 1,983 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 But even tho thats how some Eastern Europeans are breedings they arguably have the best performing dogs on the planet!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 To be honest i cant properly read a pedigree lol if i see a few names or dogs related through siblings thats about as good as i get. Them boys abroad can no doubt keep alot more dogs though and doubt anyone gets to see the shit. In terms of % are they they producing the best dogs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 ive the opinion that terrier blood is certainly in the makeup of the APBT. black n tans show up in them and staffords. And where did the black and tan come from in some terrier breeds. So do you think Rottweilers and Kerry Beagles are terrier crosses ? do you think the apbt are rottweiler x ? Not for one second nor do I think there's terrier in them. Why do you think Terrier was added to the end of the name if not because terrier blood was used? If the German word for terrier is Pincer then how did the Doberman Pincer get it's name ? Why is the Airedale classed as a terrier if it never went to ground ? It's just one of those things that the APB got the T stuck on at the end. It's the main reason that most, if not all, the old timers in the states just called them bulldogs. They hated the name terrier being on their pride and joys and most of them agree that there's no terrier in the mix. Like I said before, who in there right mind would introduce cur blood into the breed, it would be taking a big step backwards. That's me finished on the subject as it looks like I have an interest in using the APBT, but I don't. I just love them. The Doberman has pinscher in its name because the German Pinscher was used in its creation. The Airedale Terrier has terrier in its name because it's descended from the old black and tan terriers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,591 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 getting back to the original question, is there terrier blood in the A.P.B.T? i think we all accept that the A.P.B.T. was born out of dogs that left our shores a few centuries back. The dogs that left our shores were born out of the old "bull and TERRIER" crosses. so by that rational, yes there is terrier blood in the A.P.B.T. how much we'll never know, i.m.o. just enough... Yokel After 119 replies Yokel just answered the question,for me its all in the name apb TERRIER. I said that at start of thread,lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 If as many cared about the future of breeds as they do the history alot of breeds would be in a far better place. Had a few lol sorry to be negative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C556 351 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Looking at some of the early match reports in this book: http://www.amazon.com/A-Complete-History-Fighting-Dogs/dp/1582451281 shows strange matches of dogs including a foxhound ending up in the pit. If some of those dogs won local fights and were bred with bull breeds you could quite easily end up with terrier in the mix. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Navek Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Looking at some of the early match reports in this book: http://www.amazon.com/A-Complete-History-Fighting-Dogs/dp/1582451281 shows strange matches of dogs including a foxhound ending up in the pit. If some of those dogs won local fights and were bred with bull breeds you could quite easily end up with terrier in the mix.would love read. It but not paying 200 notes for it lol...anyone recommend me a decent book to read on bull terriers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Navek Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Sorry for high jacking thread Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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