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No war without clear objectives can be won, I think this has been proven time and again right up to present day Afghanistan and Iraq.

The bloke was a great fighter, a giant amongst sportsmen, to see him stricken as he is now days is sad in the extreme for one who shone so brightly.......that's my opinion.

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A black man that's disenchanted with white people, turns to a religion he thinks better represents black people, then beats up black people to entertain white people, in a sport controlled by white pe

maybe in he's case Im not sure. I don't think though he felt like dying and giving he's life for a country that at the time wouldn't let someone of he's colour eat in certain resturants and so on , I

We shouldn't have to show any respect to any religion

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Proves to me that when your mentally and spiritually in tune with your body faith in a god can make you very hard to beat very hard indeed ! Be that in the ring or in a war with guns.

Maybe a great boxer and an entertainer but he was also a coward who refused to serve when drafted to the Vietnam war. So in his case not with guns.

 

He didnt fight in the Draft because he didnt believe it was a just war in Vietnam even Amrica admitted it down the road it takes brave man to stand for his principals unlike you f***ing keyboard f***ing heros on here.

 

ahh yet another enlightened reply. And where did "America" admit this exactly? I'm glad you posted this I was beginning to forget you were a nob :thumbs:

 

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

 

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Bill Clinton's visit to Vietnam this week opens a new chapter in relations between the United States and Vietnam, though Americans still find it hard to forget the memories of a war that claimed the lives of more than 50,000 American men and women.

 

A new Gallup poll conducted November 13-15, 2000 finds that nearly seven out of 10 Americans (69%) believe that sending troops to Vietnam was a mistake. This level of opposition is slightly lower than that recorded in a 1990 Gallup poll on the 15th anniversary of the end of the war, when 74% considered it a mistake. However, it is consistent with other Gallup polls on the subject conducted in the past 15 years.

 

There you prick think before you put your mouth in gear

 

To be honest any poll taken after the event would be viewed in the negative, especially the way that both sides were losing troops. Also I suppose the demographic of the people taking the polls would also have an effect on the figures.

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Proves to me that when your mentally and spiritually in tune with your body faith in a god can make you very hard to beat very hard indeed ! Be that in the ring or in a war with guns.

Maybe a great boxer and an entertainer but he was also a coward who refused to serve when drafted to the Vietnam war. So in his case not with guns.

 

He didnt fight in the Draft because he didnt believe it was a just war in Vietnam even Amrica admitted it down the road it takes brave man to stand for his principals unlike you f***ing keyboard f***ing heros on here.

 

ahh yet another enlightened reply. And where did "America" admit this exactly? I'm glad you posted this I was beginning to forget you were a nob :thumbs:

 

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

 

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Bill Clinton's visit to Vietnam this week opens a new chapter in relations between the United States and Vietnam, though Americans still find it hard to forget the memories of a war that claimed the lives of more than 50,000 American men and women.

 

A new Gallup poll conducted November 13-15, 2000 finds that nearly seven out of 10 Americans (69%) believe that sending troops to Vietnam was a mistake. This level of opposition is slightly lower than that recorded in a 1990 Gallup poll on the 15th anniversary of the end of the war, when 74% considered it a mistake. However, it is consistent with other Gallup polls on the subject conducted in the past 15 years.

 

There you prick think before you put your mouth in gear

 

To be honest any poll taken after the event would be viewed in the negative, especially the way that both sides were losing troops. Also I suppose the demographic of the people taking the polls would also have an effect on the figures.

 

its an American poll from an American association there are dozens of articles ranging from Ex service men to Politicians and Presidents that all agree it was a mistake so the people involved dont know the realities ?
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Proves to me that when your mentally and spiritually in tune with your body faith in a god can make you very hard to beat very hard indeed ! Be that in the ring or in a war with guns.

Maybe a great boxer and an entertainer but he was also a coward who refused to serve when drafted to the Vietnam war. So in his case not with guns.

 

He didnt fight in the Draft because he didnt believe it was a just war in Vietnam even Amrica admitted it down the road it takes brave man to stand for his principals unlike you f***ing keyboard f***ing heros on here.

 

ahh yet another enlightened reply. And where did "America" admit this exactly? I'm glad you posted this I was beginning to forget you were a nob :thumbs:

 

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

 

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Bill Clinton's visit to Vietnam this week opens a new chapter in relations between the United States and Vietnam, though Americans still find it hard to forget the memories of a war that claimed the lives of more than 50,000 American men and women.

 

A new Gallup poll conducted November 13-15, 2000 finds that nearly seven out of 10 Americans (69%) believe that sending troops to Vietnam was a mistake. This level of opposition is slightly lower than that recorded in a 1990 Gallup poll on the 15th anniversary of the end of the war, when 74% considered it a mistake. However, it is consistent with other Gallup polls on the subject conducted in the past 15 years.

 

There you prick think before you put your mouth in gear

 

To be honest any poll taken after the event would be viewed in the negative, especially the way that both sides were losing troops. Also I suppose the demographic of the people taking the polls would also have an effect on the figures.

 

its an American poll from an American association there are dozens of articles ranging from Ex service men to Politicians and Presidents that all agree it was a mistake so the people involved dont know the realities ?

 

I know its an American poll, what I'm saying is that a poll taken in up state NY would have a different result than if you took it in the bible belt or Kansas for instance. And any poll taken after such a clusterfck would not be positive.

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I only put the post up out of mischief-to wind up the anti islamists. and the usual suspects. :tongue2:

Ali was no saint, he treated Joe Frazier very badly, amongst others, but he was no coward as some have already pointed out. Even among servicemen it's recognised that you need to have balls to announce you're a conchie.

How he's never been assasinated is beyond me.

I love the man. If anybody could turn me gay it would be him. :laugh:

I think he's provided me with more entertainment/inspiration than any other person alive or dead.

For me he will always be the greatest of all time, not just because of his boxing skills but because of his outspokenness, charisma and humour.

 

Deserbred, I've got to hand it to you, you put up a single handed defence on here and more than hold your own. :laugh:

 

PS.If you want some draft dodgers, how about Bill Clinton and George Bush.? Both body swerved the draft. Ali openly refused. He famously said 'the vietcong never called me nigger. And, 'Why should i go thousands of miles across the world to kill the yellow men'?

He also said he was ready to die for his beliefs. I have no doubt he meant it and had the balls to be true to his word.

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I only put the post up out of mischief-to wind up the anti islamists. and the usual suspects. :tongue2:

Ali was no saint, he treated Joe Frazier very badly, amongst others, but he was no coward as some have already pointed out. Even among servicemen it's recognised that you need to have balls to announce you're a conchie.

How he's never been assasinated is beyond me.

I love the man. If anybody could turn me gay it would be him. :laugh:

I think he's provided me with more entertainment/inspiration than any other person alive or dead.

For me he will always be the greatest of all time, not just because of his boxing skills but because of his outspokenness, charisma and humour.

 

Deserbred, I've got to hand it to you, you put up a single handed defence on here and more than hold your own. :laugh:

so your into hung black men then lol

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Proves to me that when your mentally and spiritually in tune with your body faith in a god can make you very hard to beat very hard indeed ! Be that in the ring or in a war with guns.

Maybe a great boxer and an entertainer but he was also a coward who refused to serve when drafted to the Vietnam war. So in his case not with guns.
He didnt fight in the Draft because he didnt believe it was a just war in Vietnam even Amrica admitted it down the road it takes brave man to stand for his principals unlike you f***ing keyboard f***ing heros on here.
ahh yet another enlightened reply. And where did "America" admit this exactly? I'm glad you posted this I was beginning to forget you were a nob :thumbs:
GALLUP NEWS SERVICEPRINCETON, NJ -- President Bill Clinton's visit to Vietnam this week opens a new chapter in relations between the United States and Vietnam, though Americans still find it hard to forget the memories of a war that claimed the lives of more than 50,000 American men and women.A new Gallup poll conducted November 13-15, 2000 finds that nearly seven out of 10 Americans (69%) believe that sending troops to Vietnam was a mistake. This level of opposition is slightly lower than that recorded in a 1990 Gallup poll on the 15th anniversary of the end of the war, when 74% considered it a mistake. However, it is consistent with other Gallup polls on the subject conducted in the past 15 years.There you prick think before you put your mouth in gear

You really are a cock off the highest order aren't you with your childlike insults? Officially America has never apologised for the war or said its a mistake. A poll of the public is not the admission of a government. It wasn't a popular war even back in the 60's and the half dozen or so films is testament to this, so cutting and pasting a few facts from the Internet is hardly a revelation is it ( or maybe it is to you?).

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I only put the post up out of mischief-to wind up the anti islamists. and the usual suspects. :tongue2:

Ali was no saint, he treated Joe Frazier very badly, amongst others, but he was no coward as some have already pointed out. Even among servicemen it's recognised that you need to have balls to announce you're a conchie.

How he's never been assasinated is beyond me.

I love the man. If anybody could turn me gay it would be him. :laugh:

I think he's provided me with more entertainment/inspiration than any other person alive or dead.

For me he will always be the greatest of all time, not just because of his boxing skills but because of his outspokenness, charisma and humour.

 

Deserbred, I've got to hand it to you, you put up a single handed defence on here and more than hold your own. :laugh:

Its not difficult mate, a couple can forward well balanced points the rest donkey rides come to mind
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Proves to me that when your mentally and spiritually in tune with your body faith in a god can make you very hard to beat very hard indeed ! Be that in the ring or in a war with guns.

Maybe a great boxer and an entertainer but he was also a coward who refused to serve when drafted to the Vietnam war. So in his case not with guns.

 

The people elect the government you cretin go put your tin foil hat on you have been shown for the numpty you are. Why did theBritish withdraw from afghanistan and Iraq because the public new soldiers were dying for Tony Blairs crap so go play .

He didnt fight in the Draft because he didnt believe it was a just war in Vietnam even Amrica admitted it down the road it takes brave man to stand for his principals unlike you f***ing keyboard f***ing heros on here.

 

ahh yet another enlightened reply. And where did "America" admit this exactly? I'm glad you posted this I was beginning to forget you were a nob :thumbs:

 

GALLUP NEWS SERVICEPRINCETON, NJ -- President Bill Clinton's visit to Vietnam this week opens a new chapter in relations between the United States and Vietnam, though Americans still find it hard to forget the memories of a war that claimed the lives of more than 50,000 American men and women.A new Gallup poll conducted November 13-15, 2000 finds that nearly seven out of 10 Americans (69%) believe that sending troops to Vietnam was a mistake. This level of opposition is slightly lower than that recorded in a 1990 Gallup poll on the 15th anniversary of the end of the war, when 74% considered it a mistake. However, it is consistent with other Gallup polls on the subject conducted in the past 15 years.There you prick think before you put your mouth in gear

 

You really are a cock off the highest order aren't you with your childlike insults? Officially America has never apologised for the war or said its a mistake. A poll of the public is not the admission of a government. It wasn't a popular war even back in the 60's and the half dozen or so films is testament to this, so cutting and pasting a few facts from the Internet is hardly a revelation is it ( or maybe it is to you?).

 

Go on argue with facts and history you Cretin Edited by desertbred
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I only put the post up out of mischief-to wind up the anti islamists. and the usual suspects. :tongue2:

Ali was no saint, he treated Joe Frazier very badly, amongst others, but he was no coward as some have already pointed out. Even among servicemen it's recognised that you need to have balls to announce you're a conchie.

How he's never been assasinated is beyond me.

I love the man. If anybody could turn me gay it would be him. :laugh:

I think he's provided me with more entertainment/inspiration than any other person alive or dead.

For me he will always be the greatest of all time, not just because of his boxing skills but because of his outspokenness, charisma and humour.

 

Deserbred, I've got to hand it to you, you put up a single handed defence on here and more than hold your own. :laugh:

so your into hung black men then lol

 

It's high time there was a special section on here for the handicapped, the web -fingered and the banjo pluckers. They could throw metaphorical dung at each other all day and feel happy and fulfilled. The rest of us could then get on with a bit of banter and informed debate without interrupton. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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