Bloody Sheep!!!

[zandy01 3,575]

  On 04/08/2015 at 15:16, paulsmithy83 said:

Around here you will have a dead dog if not broken to sheep. No chasing herding attacking all is a bullet on keepered ground. I start them young 9 weeks old and everyday without fail will see livestock with collar round kneck. Nothing intense just a reminder there not worth a chase. All mine will hunt through sheep and are bullet proof and no bond is broken.

Normal collar or you meaning shock collar ???

[air gun ant 1,666]

  On 04/08/2015 at 16:08, zandy01 said:

 

  On 04/08/2015 at 15:16, paulsmithy83 said:

Around here you will have a dead dog if not broken to sheep. No chasing herding attacking all is a bullet on keepered ground. I start them young 9 weeks old and everyday without fail will see livestock with collar round kneck. Nothing intense just a reminder there not worth a chase. All mine will hunt through sheep and are bullet proof and no bond is broken.

Normal collar or you meaning shock collar ???

dont think anyone would put a shock collar on a 9wk pup? Surely!

[zandy01 3,575]

  On 04/08/2015 at 16:30, air gun ant said:

 

  On 04/08/2015 at 16:08, zandy01 said:

 

  On 04/08/2015 at 15:16, paulsmithy83 said:

Around here you will have a dead dog if not broken to sheep. No chasing herding attacking all is a bullet on keepered ground. I start them young 9 weeks old and everyday without fail will see livestock with collar round kneck. Nothing intense just a reminder there not worth a chase. All mine will hunt through sheep and are bullet proof and no bond is broken.

Normal collar or you meaning shock collar ???

dont think anyone would put a shock collar on a 9wk pup? Surely!

I would certainly hope not... Just the way it reads "will see livestock with collar round it's neck, nothing too intense, just a reminder not to chase"... ?

[Blackdog92 2,047]

  On 31/07/2015 at 19:27, terryd said:

often thought it me self. Approach your local friendly farmer say if I give you a couple of hundred will you pop a couple of sheep in the smallish well fenced field for a couple months. Obviously explain why and the money would cover the sheep in the unlikely event of a real disaster

You can't go terrorising the poor sheep daily they will be on valium by the time you finish but if your dogs not too bad and just needs steadying and testing maybe.

Then again could be a complete waste of time when his rock steady with them two but sees a little flock going over the brow of hill in a different situation

Personally I am just going to get mine around different sheep in different places at every chance

If you want to throw me a few hundered quid you can walk threw my sheep as much as you want lol.

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

  On 04/08/2015 at 16:50, Blackdog92 said:

 

  On 31/07/2015 at 19:27, terryd said:

often thought it me self. Approach your local friendly farmer say if I give you a couple of hundred will you pop a couple of sheep in the smallish well fenced field for a couple months. Obviously explain why and the money would cover the sheep in the unlikely event of a real disaster

You can't go terrorising the poor sheep daily they will be on valium by the time you finish but if your dogs not too bad and just needs steadying and testing maybe.

Then again could be a complete waste of time when his rock steady with them two but sees a little flock going over the brow of hill in a different situation

Personally I am just going to get mine around different sheep in different places at every chance

If you want to throw me a few hundered quid you can walk threw my sheep as much as you want lol.

 

Mine too... as soon as I can get some

[forest of dean redneck 11,755]

Couple hundred quid,I'd want to be eating the bloody sheep,not walking a dog through them!

[paulsmithy83 567]

  On 04/08/2015 at 16:37, zandy01 said:

 

  On 04/08/2015 at 16:30, air gun ant said:

 

  On 04/08/2015 at 16:08, zandy01 said:

 

  On 04/08/2015 at 15:16, paulsmithy83 said:

Around here you will have a dead dog if not broken to sheep. No chasing herding attacking all is a bullet on keepered ground. I start them young 9 weeks old and everyday without fail will see livestock with collar round kneck. Nothing intense just a reminder there not worth a chase. All mine will hunt through sheep and are bullet proof and no bond is broken.

Normal collar or you meaning shock collar ???

dont think anyone would put a shock collar on a 9wk pup? Surely!

I would certainly hope not... Just the way it reads "will see livestock with collar round it's neck, nothing too intense, just a reminder not to chase"... ?

nope its a bright big pink fluffy one so the keepers no its mine. Yep its a shock collar and no before any dumb ass asks i dont shock them at 9 weeks its so they get used to the collar on the kneck so finally down the line if its ever used to give a little shock they have no relation to collar at all. By 12months they will never see it again its swapped for my gps ones another reason they have them on as pups. we all have our ways but like said round here no second chances.

[WILF 47,951]

...........Or you could just take the dog where there's no sheep ?

[neems 2,406]

  On 30/07/2015 at 02:09, Joe777 said:

I've used an e collar on a bitch I took on at 8 months, she was a stock killer, two sessions and problem was solved. Get the dig used to the collar so there is no association between collar and shock. If done correctly the dog associates the shock to the sheep. This bitch ran straight back and sat at heel. For stock 'breaking I don't think you can beat the collar and importantly it doesn't damage the bond between man and dog.

I took my big dog out at a young age amongst sheep and with some perseverance he was good with them, one day I decided to do some long distance recall using a vibrate setting on the collar, let him out the motor onto a big moor that held a few sheep and out of the blue he decided it would be fun to give it big legs after a sheep, pure fluke as I'd not used a collar on him before or since but he got a shock that day. To be honest he's a bit over cautious amongst sheep now, and that's something you have to be aware of when doing any stock training. Atb Joe

 

Is the dog being a bit over cautious around sheep a bad thing?

 

I'd rather my dog went nowhere near them,better a bit too cautious than too interested imo.

[WILF 47,951]

My dog is 5 and he isn't broken to sheep, for the sole reason that there isn't any where I came from.

I think he has run through sheep once when I was out up country a bit and paid them no mind, but that would be the only time he ever saw any.

 

Now however things are different, there are fecking loads of sheep round here so it's a problem......I can only sort it once my own sheep arrive as I wouldn't ask someone else who's ewes are in lamb maybe and put stress on that mans ewes, and if it can't be done then at this age then I simply won't run him where they are present.

 

A few kills under it's belt in the evening normally sees a dog steady up IMHO, once they have them they know what their out for and will respond to commands a lot better.

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

  On 04/08/2015 at 23:52, neems said:

 

  On 30/07/2015 at 02:09, Joe777 said:

I've used an e collar on a bitch I took on at 8 months, she was a stock killer, two sessions and problem was solved. Get the dig used to the collar so there is no association between collar and shock. If done correctly the dog associates the shock to the sheep. This bitch ran straight back and sat at heel. For stock 'breaking I don't think you can beat the collar and importantly it doesn't damage the bond between man and dog.

I took my big dog out at a young age amongst sheep and with some perseverance he was good with them, one day I decided to do some long distance recall using a vibrate setting on the collar, let him out the motor onto a big moor that held a few sheep and out of the blue he decided it would be fun to give it big legs after a sheep, pure fluke as I'd not used a collar on him before or since but he got a shock that day. To be honest he's a bit over cautious amongst sheep now, and that's something you have to be aware of when doing any stock training. Atb Joe

 

Is the dog being a bit over cautious around sheep a bad thing?

 

I'd rather my dog went nowhere near them,better a bit too cautious than too interested imo.

 

For the most part you're right but you don't want a dog that legs it back to the car every time it sees a sheep either.

[bmull 189]

long lead and training its not hard :yes: :yes: :yes:

[bird 10,003]

  On 05/08/2015 at 00:07, WILF said:

My dog is 5 and he isn't broken to sheep, for the sole reason that there isn't any where I came from.

I think he has run through sheep once when I was out up country a bit and paid them no mind, but that would be the only time he ever saw any.

 

Now however things are different, there are fecking loads of sheep round here so it's a problem......I can only sort it once my own sheep arrive as I wouldn't ask someone else who's ewes are in lamb maybe and put stress on that mans ewes, and if it can't be done then at this age then I simply won't run him where they are present.

 

A few kills under it's belt in the evening normally sees a dog steady up IMHO, once they have them they know what their out for and will respond to commands a lot better.

he a good tip wilf, get him out with another dog who used to them, it will have a knock on affect it really does. ive trained all my pups over the years with another dog with them there, the pups thinks (well my mates not bothered so I wont be ) , I know your is older but a dog a dog , and it will see there no big deal just do this 1st and if your happy with this. next step do some long recall through so the dog got run past them to you, as some sheep will scatter a bit , and that's all the better , as the dog will see them moving about.this is what you want because when just seeing them just grazing not moving /boring most dog don't bother , it when there running for what ever reason the real test for a dog . ive had lurchers 30 years now, and ive done the above with great results , but still don't trust any dog 100% , as said before dogs that been great with sheep for 8-9 years have out of the blue killed sheep , same as collies working them 24/7 have killed sheep , I think sometimes there instinct just kicks in wallop one dead sheep, there just dogs not machines .

[BGD 6,436]

Bunch of feckin amateurs on here.

 

Everyone knows the only way to break a dog to sheep is to beat f**k out of it with a dead ram then tie the carcass to the dogs back leg let it drag it around til it rots away.

 

9 pages it took to get some real solid advice, you're welcome

[air gun ant 1,666]

  On 05/08/2015 at 09:53, BGD said:

Bunch of feckin amateurs on here.

 

Everyone knows the only way to break a dog to sheep is to beat f**k out of it with a dead ram then tie the carcass to the dogs back leg let it drag it around til it rots away.

 

9 pages it took to get some real solid advice, you're welcome

ha ha f**k me! I'd forgotten about that gem of advice lol