Saluki Ebt First Cross?

[burniemcintosh 0]

Gday all,

I'm from australia, and i love nothing better than being out bush spotting. I have a nice staghound bitch who catches me plenty of rabbits and the odd fox, and occasionally a little pig. I've been wondering for some time now whether i could up the stakes (ie catch bigger pigs and hares) by getting a first cross saluki x EBT. You blokes in the UK seem to do a bit more of this type of breeding. Does anyone know of a first cross like this that can catch a hare? If so, do you think it also has the heart to lug a big boar? Plus have the nose to find one? Heart, speed, and nose. Possible?

Cheers.

[walshie 2,804]

It would certainly win a prize for being the ugliest dog around.

[bird 9,857]

why not try a apbt x stag , that prob give what you need, as the stag would give it speed/stamina and the pit power /grit for fox or pig .

[j j m 6,533]

Welcome mate

[burniemcintosh 0]

Thanks for your replies. Before this discussion turns into a theoretical debate, what I really want to know is, has anybody seen, in the flesh, a first cross Saluki x EBT?

Cheers,

[The one 8,456]

Hello and welcome mate , enjoy

[Terra Firma 136]

The ebt over here a show bred rubbish with poor heads.

If we could get them over here, i would use a well bred apbt over a stag, test the offspring and then put your chosen halfx over the saluki of your choice

1/2saluki 1/4 stag 1/4apbt

 

In my opinion if you want a all round catch dog I'd only have 1/4 bull or there abouts.

 

Hope this helps.

Regards TF

[burniemcintosh 0]

Thanks Terra Firma, i appreciate your opinion. Its such a pity that the show fraternity are weakening the working breeds (in my view).

A very experienced pig hunting mate has a 2 yo litter he bred. Dam was EBT x English Pointer, sire was pure deerhound. These pups are handy dogs, but just a fraction on the slow side for fast game, and a fraction on the soft side for pigs. I thought the saluki element might be a smarter option than the deerhound, and by increasing the bull element it could increase the drive and hardness. Dunno.

[BlackStreak 498]

Your wanting a very tall order out of 1 dog. A dog that will lug up on a good boar without hesitation is a pretty specialized dog. A dog that can take Hair and rabbit is a pretty specialized dog and those two specialties kinda work against one another. You can put a nose on either, but to get a good rabbit dog to lug up on a boar is another story and to get a good finder holder that's good at running down hairs is same story in revers. What makes a these dogs good at one job becomes is handicap at the other.

I'm not saying it can't be had but to get it would take a very special sire and damn.

Not to make you jelous or anything but I have on the ground right now 9, 7 week old pups that are aproximatly 1/3 wolfhound, 1/3 deerhound, 1/3 greyhound and 1/12 mastiff in their. I know that dont add up, its just an aproximation. I own both parents to these pups and both dogs are good pig dogs and hard luggers. The parents to the sire of these pups are used to run down, catch and kill coyotes. The parents to the dame of these pups comes from a long line of line bred 1 out finder holder boar hounds. Both have a decent nose too lol. It's a shame your so far accross the pond. I love stag hounds and the purpose of this cross was to get me some boar hounds that operated in much the same manner as a true stag but we're designed to operate on pigs. Not often do you run across a 1 out type stag that can handle big boars by himself. I'm just trying to recreate the one i have. But i bet they would work good for hair lol. If they work?!!

[burniemcintosh 0]

Black streak, I agree with you. And I like the sound of your litter. Send me one! I love deerhounds. They will be too big for rabbits though won't they?

Tall order, yes, absolutely. And yet from time to time you hear about a freak stag that can handle big pigs. Honestly though, I don't think its realistic to expect a first class solo hare courser to be a first class finder holder so i agree with you there. What i would like is a first class finder holder that will catch a rabbit and will at least try to catch a hare. The stag i have stops chasing as soon as she realizes its a hare and not a rabbit, which i suppose is fair enough.

Question for the ignorant, is there such thing as a dog that can catch and kill a coyote one out? From what i've seen on Youtube they are using a whole pack of dogs? I imagine a dog that can do this would be hard enough for pigs too? And how fast is a coyote, i know this would vary, but are they faster than say, a fast fox?

BTW, i don't necessarily want a dog to "lug up on a good boar without hesitation", i just want him to bail hard and lug when i get there. I know a bloke who has retired from pigging and now surfs, he was known to whip his shirt off, wait for the pig to charge, and throw the shirt over the pigs eyes and dive in a grab the back leg. But then, he had a lot of bull blood in him; i'm more whippet than anything else!