charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 In all fairness Charlie the bible has nothing to do with the Roman empire. Not directly, I grant you, however the roman empire turned/became Xtian in a relatively short time, this change was borne of expediency, as the old empire crumbled, new ways of controlling power were looked at, Constantine was the first Xtian emperor, however it was not until around 380ad that Theodosis decreed that all romans should be Xtian,at that time the end was in sight, so clever forward thinking Romans had to adopt new tactics to stay on top, the end came in 476ad,( Briton of course had been abandoned to her fate in 410ad,) when Germanic tribes finally seized Rome and destroyed the last vestiges of Roman empire, then guess what, hay-ho the church of Rome springs into action, with all its attendant evil, of which most of us are fully aware, I am sure, so the bible,and the rubbish spouted in it have been engineered as a tool, pure and simple, what better way to control the people, than with a book filled with the word of God man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Romans and other ancient culture scholars at the time documented jesus.. There is no doubt this man existed. But sure as I took a shit this morning he was not the son of god or any other deity.... The question is why did he become so special to mankind if he was a mere mortal?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,357 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) The Romans and other ancient culture scholars at the time documented jesus.. There is no doubt this man existed. But sure as I took a shit this morning he was not the son of god or any other deity....The question is why did he become so special to mankind if he was a mere mortal??Bacause, even to this day, he was the only one talking sense amongst the madness IMHO A really good read or listen (I have the audio book) is Phil Robertsons book "Un-Philtered".......I dare anybody to not find at least a few chapters that make total sense. Edited July 30, 2015 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Romans and other ancient culture scholars at the time documented jesus.. There is no doubt this man existed. But sure as I took a shit this morning he was not the son of god or any other deity....The question is why did he become so special to mankind if he was a mere mortal??Bacause, even to this day, he was the only one talking sense amongst the madness IMHOA really good read or listen (I have the audio book) is Phil Robertsons book "Un-Philtered".......I dare anybody to not find at least a few chapters that make total sense. Fact is nobody on earth now can know exactly who Jesus was but he touched mankind like no other before or since and that's coming from somebody who isn't really religious at all.. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,195 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Romans and other ancient culture scholars at the time documented jesus.. There is no doubt this man existed. But sure as I took a shit this morning he was not the son of god or any other deity.... The question is why did he become so special to mankind if he was a mere mortal?? No different to Buddha, Moses, Mohammed or any other incredible figure from history. Alexander the Great was and still is an iconic name of a great man that will echo through the epochs long after me and any of you are dead None were more than mortal, Great men are capable of great things Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,357 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Well said Dog Fox, a very sensible post by a non religious person........you actually thought about rather than just offering a load of silly talk about "the church did this or that, or people who need a crutch" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Romans and other ancient culture scholars at the time documented jesus.. There is no doubt this man existed. But sure as I took a shit this morning he was not the son of god or any other deity.... The question is why did he become so special to mankind if he was a mere mortal?? No different to Buddha, Moses, Mohammed or any other incredible figure from history. Alexander the Great was and still is an iconic name of a great man that will echo through the epochs long after me and any of you are dead None were more than mortal, Great men are capable of great things Yes and you probably believe everything you've ever read about Alexander the Great, the same cannot be said of Jesus I bet.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,195 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Actually people embelished Alexanders exploits same as they totally bullshitted about Jesus's The fact that the bible was written and accepted by a committe 300 years after old J died seems to escape everyone! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Romans and other ancient culture scholars at the time documented jesus.. There is no doubt this man existed. But sure as I took a shit this morning he was not the son of god or any other deity.... Nobody documented jesus at the time Mush, bible scholars have spent lifetimes trying to prove he existed, no reliable evidence at all, if you've found it the church will make you a rich man 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Actually people embelished Alexanders exploits same as they totally bullshitted about Jesus's The fact that the bible was written and accepted by a committe 300 years after old J died seems to escape everyone! welll there is evidence of a document that existed before the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John called "Q" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 No, not quite truther. I can follow your logic, but only so far. You're missing the vital component - The Holy Spirit - If the Holy Spirit's divine guidance was there during writing, you can be sure He was there during the compilation! If mans agenda was evident in the scriptures then I could sympathise with your disposition, but God's agenda is undeniable. It's theme speaks of salvation from God, not service to man. It commands to "give preference to one another" and to "treat others how you would want to treated" not to bow to the hierarchies. "Test all things"! Not accept all things. We have a book that covers all things with divine authority, from Origins to eternity and everything in between including morals, ethics and economics. Is it any wonder we believe it's form God?? Our jurisdiction was built on it! Look at the mess we're in now that we are abandoning it. Of course we believe it's fact, the assurance you receive at the time of salvation affirms that. On the contrary, what does your disposition offer? Essentially "we don't know" but we're confident we'll find out. Well, maybe some already have. I've seen the hardest of hearts melted, the cruelest of minds cured - Jesus changes lives in a way nothing else comes close. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 In fairness the old testament was wrote before Jesus time, an obviously the new was after Jesus, what's the problem with, after all the new testament is all about Jesus, of course it's going to be wrote after him. Constantine seen a star in the sky just before battle, an thought this was God, he then mixed the pagan worship with a bit of Christianity, that's what Catholicism is, no doubt they seen a way of control with this, but that doesn't take nothing away from the new testament, the apostles that wrote it done so at their peril, they were locked up or murdered, what did they have to gain.nothing. Just because a few men decided what books were in the bible, that's means nothing, they were already wrote, done, so I don't see were the importance is there. The manuscripts of the old an new testaments, have been dated an verified, by experts, an not by carbon dating I might add lol Truther as you think it's ficton, could you be more specific, an point out your problems, I could say the same about your information, an all the history books, its all fiction, how can you verify there not mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,195 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Romans and other ancient culture scholars at the time documented jesus.. There is no doubt this man existed. But sure as I took a shit this morning he was not the son of god or any other deity.... Nobody documented jesus at the time Mush, bible scholars have spent lifetimes trying to prove he existed, no reliable evidence at all, if you've found it the church will make you a rich man Yes he was, there are several roman documents mentioning Jesus. letters from Pontius Pilot asking advice on what to do with him, letters from people discussing him, Grafiti etc ad infinitum. Actually people embelished Alexanders exploits same as they totally bullshitted about Jesus's The fact that the bible was written and accepted by a committe 300 years after old J died seems to escape everyone! welll there is evidence of a document that existed before the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John called "Q" So?? The bible was decided upon at the council of nicea by MEN 300 years after jesus!! That's your bible these days ... No different to North Korea saying Lil Kim is a super athlete and fuucks like 20 pornstars on viagra!!! It's bullshit written by men with an agenda 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 No, not quite truther. I can follow your logic, but only so far. You're missing the vital component - The Holy Spirit - If the Holy Spirit's divine guidance was there during writing, you can be sure He was there during the compilation! If mans agenda was evident in the scriptures then I could sympathise with your disposition, but God's agenda is undeniable. It's theme speaks of salvation from God, not service to man. It commands to "give preference to one another" and to "treat others how you would want to treated" not to bow to the hierarchies. "Test all things"! Not accept all things. We have a book that covers all things with divine authority, from Origins to eternity and everything in between including morals, ethics and economics. Is it any wonder we believe it's form God?? Our jurisdiction was built on it! Look at the mess we're in now that we are abandoning it. Of course we believe it's fact, the assurance you receive at the time of salvation affirms that. On the contrary, what does your disposition offer? Essentially "we don't know" but we're confident we'll find out. Well, maybe some already have. I've seen the hardest of hearts melted, the cruelest of minds cured - Jesus changes lives in a way nothing else comes close. "No, not quite truther. I can follow your logic, but only so far. You're missing the vital component - The Holy Spirit - If the Holy Spirit's divine guidance was there during writing, you can be sure He was there during the compilation!" If there's no "god" how can there be "the holy spirit" ? again its just your opinion, it means absolutely nothing, all you can do is offer an "opinion" however its dressed up to look like facts. You can't see the "agenda of men" in the bible..........you got it bad don't you FM? "Of course we believe it's fact, the assurance you receive at the time of salvation affirms that. On the contrary, what does your disposition offer? Essentially "we don't know" but we're confident we'll find out. Well, maybe some already have." There you go again FM, you believe its fact, then the "assurance you receive at salvation" what assurance? you mean the imagined enlightenment in your head, these aren't real things FM........you keep insisting on bringing opinions into the debate, they mean nothing and add no weight to your argument. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 You are wasting your time pal, I have this argument over and over with xtian friends,etc and not one of them can contradict the fact that the "book" was written by humans, I could write a book and claim to be the son of god, and there would probably be some idiots that believed me, its a rule book to control the masses, nothing else. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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