Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 fraz how you going get into heaven without absolutionWhat's absolution Dave? forgivness if your under 13 it usualy a sore hole Don't get you Dave lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Murder, rape, pillage all in the name of God Deuteronomy 20:10-14 As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. Don't know were you got that, but here the KJV, an they were there enemy's, , they were offered peace first, the Hittites, amorites, etc, were raping there children, sacrificing their children to their God, having sex with animals, sodomy, so they got their justs deserts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 2 And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people, 3 And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them; 4 For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you. 5 And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it. 6 And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it. 7 And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her. 8 And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren's heart faint as well as his heart. 9 And it shall be, when the officers have made an end of speaking unto the people, that they shall make captains of the armies to lead the people. 10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. 11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. 12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: 13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Bo Duke 420 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. This is a massive problem for me because I like women, I believe in the empowerment of women and that they are equal to men they aren't "chattel" and it doesn't sit well with me that you can defeat a man and take HIS wife 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nans pat 2,575 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 2 And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people, 3 And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them; 4 For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you. 5 And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it. 6 And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it. 7 And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her. 8 And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren's heart faint as well as his heart. 9 And it shall be, when the officers have made an end of speaking unto the people, that they shall make captains of the armies to lead the people. 10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. 11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. 12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: 13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. thats like god saying go into battle ...ile hold yer coat. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.This is a massive problem for me because I like women, I believe in the empowerment of women and that they are equal to men they aren't "chattel" and it doesn't sit well with me that you can defeat a man and take HIS wife If you read the bible, you'd know, that they were cared for an were protected, Why are you quoting this if you don't believe, what do you beleive? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 well you did say it just you an your bible, no absolution no sacrament of penance......no heaven That's the catholic way Dave, I do it Jesus way, be born again spiritually, when you accept Jesus, an repent, its a free gift of God, not works, lest any man boast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 well you did say it just you an your bible, no absolution no sacrament of penance......no heavenThat's the catholic way Dave, I do it Jesus way, be born again spiritually, when you accept Jesus, an repent, its a free gift of God, not works, lest any man boast.What happens to the non religious people, do they just hang about in purgatory? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 well you did say it just you an your bible, no absolution no sacrament of penance......no heavenThat's the catholic way Dave, I do it Jesus way, be born again spiritually, when you accept Jesus, an repent, its a free gift of God, not works, lest any man boast.What happens to the non religious people, do they just hang about in purgatory? That's another catholic teaching, there's no mention of it in the bible mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 are you just a oneman band fraz What do you mean? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 well you did say it just you an your bible, no absolution no sacrament of penance......no heavenThat's the catholic way Dave, I do it Jesus way, be born again spiritually, when you accept Jesus, an repent, its a free gift of God, not works, lest any man boast.What happens to the non religious people, do they just hang about in purgatory?That's another catholic teaching, there's no mention of it in the bible mate.What if you don't repent or accept Jesus, where do they go? Believers get accepted into heaven but what about non believers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,497 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 well you did say it just you an your bible, no absolution no sacrament of penance......no heavenThat's the catholic way Dave, I do it Jesus way, be born again spiritually, when you accept Jesus, an repent, its a free gift of God, not works, lest any man boast.What happens to the non religious people, do they just hang about in purgatory?That's another catholic teaching, there's no mention of it in the bible mate.What if you don't repent or accept Jesus, where do they go? Believers get accepted into heaven but what about non believers? you have to stay in wales 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo Duke 420 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.This is a massive problem for me because I like women, I believe in the empowerment of women and that they are equal to men they aren't "chattel" and it doesn't sit well with me that you can defeat a man and take HIS wife If you read the bible, you'd know, that they were cared for an were protected, Why are you quoting this if you don't believe, what do you beleive? I believe in science, logic and reason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 well you did say it just you an your bible, no absolution no sacrament of penance......no heavenThat's the catholic way Dave, I do it Jesus way, be born again spiritually, when you accept Jesus, an repent, its a free gift of God, not works, lest any man boast.What happens to the non religious people, do they just hang about in purgatory?That's another catholic teaching, there's no mention of it in the bible mate.What if you don't repent or accept Jesus, where do they go? Believers get accepted into heaven but what about non believers? you have to stay in wales So I will go to heaven then lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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