Francie 6,368 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 You are wasting your time pal, I have this argument over and over with xtian friends,etc and not one of them can contradict the fact that the "book" was written by humans, I could write a book and claim to be the son of god, and there would probably be some idiots that believed me, its a rule book to control the masses, nothing else.Don't think so Charlie, of course it was written by humans, at least your not saying monkeys, an by the way it was the apostles who wrote the new testament, not Jesus, so if you wrote this book would your mates back you up an call you the son of God an be willing to die for it, I think not, very weak argument. Again no evidence to prove bible wrong, just your opinion., Weak argument my arse,by dint of the fact that as you readily admit, it was written by humans, call them apostles or zombie spider monkeys, they remain HUMANS, and so filled the little story book with materiel that suited them,I never intimated that Jesus wrote it, Adolf hitler started out life as an ordinary bloke, but plenty looked upon him as a god, and I think you will agree, plenty were willing to die for him, ok he did not say he was the son of god, but with a little twisting I am sure many would have believed he was,your point there is less than weak, it is pathetic blind faith, but then hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story, because that is all it is, dreamed up by human beings. Again no evidence to disprove anything in the bible, plenty of evidence to back up the bible story mate, an calling names just show you've nothing, an blind faith is also your leader, plenty of people in the field of science agree with the biblical account, that vid I posted above, marine biologist, he's one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I'm not putting this list up to prove anything, its merely to show were not as pathetic as cc says Scientists alive today* who accept the biblical account of creation Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field. Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics Dr James Allan, Geneticist Dr Steve Austin, Geologist Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics) Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony) Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist Dr Bob Compton, DVM Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research Dr André Eggen, Geneticist Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist Dr Tim Gilmour, Electrical Engineer Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry Dr George F. Howe, Botany Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy George T. Javor, Biochemistry Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist Dr Arthur Jones, Biology Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology Dr John G. Leslie, biochemistry, molecular biology, medicine, biblical archaeology Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist Dr Alan Love, Chemist Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist: Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist Dr John McEwan, Chemist Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics Dr David Menton, Anatomist Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr John Meyer, Physiologist Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist Colin W. Mitchell, Geography Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist Dr John D. Morris, Geologist Dr Len Morris, Physiologist Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher Prof. John Oller, Linguistics Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology) Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon Prof. Richard Porter Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics Dr Albert E. Pye, invertebrate zoology, biotechnology, biological control (19452012) Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist Dr A.S. Reece, M.D. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology Dr David Rosevear, Chemist Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology Dr John Sanford, Geneticist Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist: Dr Ian Scott, Educator Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist: Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology) Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist (19232012) Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineer Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography Dr Henry Zuill, Biology Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I'm not putting this list up to prove anything, its merely to show were not as pathetic as cc says Scientists alive today* who accept the biblical account of creation Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field. Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics Dr James Allan, Geneticist Dr Steve Austin, Geologist Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics) Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony) Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist Dr Bob Compton, DVM Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research Dr André Eggen, Geneticist Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist Dr Tim Gilmour, Electrical Engineer Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry Dr George F. Howe, Botany Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy George T. Javor, Biochemistry Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist Dr Arthur Jones, Biology Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology Dr John G. Leslie, biochemistry, molecular biology, medicine, biblical archaeology Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist Dr Alan Love, Chemist Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist: Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist Dr John McEwan, Chemist Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics Dr David Menton, Anatomist Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr John Meyer, Physiologist Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist Colin W. Mitchell, Geography Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist Dr John D. Morris, Geologist Dr Len Morris, Physiologist Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher Prof. John Oller, Linguistics Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology) Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon Prof. Richard Porter Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics Dr Albert E. Pye, invertebrate zoology, biotechnology, biological control (19452012) Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist Dr A.S. Reece, M.D. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology Dr David Rosevear, Chemist Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology Dr John Sanford, Geneticist Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist: Dr Ian Scott, Educator Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist: Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology) Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist (19232012) Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineer Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography Dr Henry Zuill, Biology Project Steve....http://ncse.com/taking-action/list-steves 1374 steve's!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 That fella might be on God side, but that doesn't take away the fact that the above, acticus, liny, Josephus, etc, all wrote what they did, an they were non believers. So truther, are you saying these men didn't write these, an there not recorded, an that Christian fella made it up? No mate, i'm not disputing the references were written, they exist right enough, but there's no hard evidence that any of them refer to your jesus, so it's just opinions/speculation based on what these christian scholars believe, in a court of law its called "hearsay" "evidence" is hard provable facts, you're taking opinions as fact. And i've read some atheist scholars interpretations of the same material, you can slant it either way tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I'm not putting this list up to prove anything, its merely to show were not as pathetic as cc says Scientists alive today* who accept the biblical account of creation Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field. Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics Dr James Allan, Geneticist Dr Steve Austin, Geologist Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics) Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony) Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist Dr Bob Compton, DVM Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research Dr André Eggen, Geneticist Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist Dr Tim Gilmour, Electrical Engineer Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry Dr George F. Howe, Botany Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy George T. Javor, Biochemistry Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist Dr Arthur Jones, Biology Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology Dr John G. Leslie, biochemistry, molecular biology, medicine, biblical archaeology Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist Dr Alan Love, Chemist Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist: Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist Dr John McEwan, Chemist Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics Dr David Menton, Anatomist Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr John Meyer, Physiologist Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist Colin W. Mitchell, Geography Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist Dr John D. Morris, Geologist Dr Len Morris, Physiologist Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher Prof. John Oller, Linguistics Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology) Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon Prof. Richard Porter Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics Dr Albert E. Pye, invertebrate zoology, biotechnology, biological control (19452012) Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist Dr A.S. Reece, M.D. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology Dr David Rosevear, Chemist Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology Dr John Sanford, Geneticist Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist: Dr Ian Scott, Educator Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist: Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology) Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist (19232012) Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineer Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography Dr Henry Zuill, Biology Project Steve....http://ncse.com/taking-action/list-steves 1374 steve's!! Groundhog day mate 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 And I suppose you are going to come out with some startling new evidence to prove virgins have babies are you, or perhaps walking on water is possible? Really how anyone can be taken in by such hogwash is beyond me, but then to be fair that is what Christianity teaches,BLIND FAITH, and not to question anything, as to do so is blasphemy,I genuinely wish you well, and if belief in some imposter religion from overseas gives you comfort, then fair play, I will stick with the original beliefs of my own race, but good luck, all the same Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Haha no it doesn't mate, question everything, that's how I came to my conclusion. OK enough about Christianity, what is your original beleifs of your race, this should be inspiring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 These topics are always similar to start with and always identical to end, with the insults and name calling flying about. Let's just face it. neither side can PROVE anything. Theories on the one hand and writings on the other hand are just what you believe. Francie I asked before, why can't you just accept people believe different things to you? You aren't going to change anyone's mind by copying and pasting a list of people who believe the same as you. It's the same list as you pasted before I suspect. I appreciate this topic was god related from the start, but you have a knack of twisting every topic that way. This is a hunting/fieldsports site with a general section - NOT a god section. There is no subsection for religion. If you want to keep on this bickering going 24 hours a day, please keep it to this thread because future ones will be removed on sight. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rake aboot 4,936 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 As I have said before. You are all wasting your time trying to discuss anything logical with a zealot. Mentally not all there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 No, not quite truther. I can follow your logic, but only so far. You're missing the vital component - The Holy Spirit - If the Holy Spirit's divine guidance was there during writing, you can be sure He was there during the compilation! If mans agenda was evident in the scriptures then I could sympathise with your disposition, but God's agenda is undeniable. It's theme speaks of salvation from God, not service to man. It commands to "give preference to one another" and to "treat others how you would want to treated" not to bow to the hierarchies. "Test all things"! Not accept all things. We have a book that covers all things with divine authority, from Origins to eternity and everything in between including morals, ethics and economics. Is it any wonder we believe it's form God?? Our jurisdiction was built on it! Look at the mess we're in now that we are abandoning it. Of course we believe it's fact, the assurance you receive at the time of salvation affirms that. On the contrary, what does your disposition offer? Essentially "we don't know" but we're confident we'll find out. Well, maybe some already have. I've seen the hardest of hearts melted, the cruelest of minds cured - Jesus changes lives in a way nothing else comes close. "No, not quite truther. I can follow your logic, but only so far. You're missing the vital component - The Holy Spirit - If the Holy Spirit's divine guidance was there during writing, you can be sure He was there during the compilation!" If there's no "god" how can there be "the holy spirit" ? again its just your opinion, it means absolutely nothing, all you can do is offer an "opinion" however its dressed up to look like facts. You can't see the "agenda of men" in the bible..........you got it bad don't you FM? "Of course we believe it's fact, the assurance you receive at the time of salvation affirms that. On the contrary, what does your disposition offer? Essentially "we don't know" but we're confident we'll find out. Well, maybe some already have." There you go again FM, you believe its fact, then the "assurance you receive at salvation" what assurance? you mean the imagined enlightenment in your head, these aren't real things FM........you keep insisting on bringing opinions into the debate, they mean nothing and add no weight to your argument. And your opinions mean something?? Ha "means nothing"? That's your view - like I said "I've seen lives changed" my life changed and that speaks more to me than any bigoted views like yours. You wouldn't know anything of the assurance I speak of as you have no interest in it?!? It's something you know next to nothing about, wise to refrain from ridiculing. Got it bad? Don't know what you mean. I do know I have a greater understanding of the good book than you do and so I can tell you with little doubt what the agenda is - and it's not that of men Now Truther, defend your disposition? What is it you believe and why?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 As I have said before. You are all wasting your time trying to discuss anything logical with a zealot. Mentally not all there. Yeah like your family, not very nice thing to say about your family, eh Just shows what an ignorant little man you are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 And I suppose you are going to come out with some startling new evidence to prove virgins have babies are you, or perhaps walking on water is possible? Really how anyone can be taken in by such hogwash is beyond me, but then to be fair that is what Christianity teaches,BLIND FAITH, and not to question anything, as to do so is blasphemy,I genuinely wish you well, and if belief in some imposter religion from overseas gives you comfort, then fair play, I will stick with the original beliefs of my own race, but good luck, all the same So come on let's here it, what's your races, original beleif, your words. Let's discuss something else for a change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 If it makes anyone feel better that we are "mentally not there" then good for you. But remember our views differ little from intellectuals, scientists and academics who have changed (for the better) how human beings live - it's not matter of intelligence, it's all to do with the heart and humility of man. We have seen lives changed by the gospel and we cannot deny it's power. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) No no, FM, were mentally ill, well at least we have the balls to admit our position, all the folk that posted, will not admit there beleif, cause there afraid we'll scrutinise it, like they did Ares, or else their not man enough. Hypocrites Edited July 30, 2015 by Francie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,354 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) I make no excuses for my belief, I believe in something good........a narrative much better, simpler, honest and cleaner than the one fed to us by the modern powers that be. I don't want proof and I don't need to prove anybody wrong who may not believe as I do.......as long as they are happy, that will do Edited July 30, 2015 by WILF 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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