Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple. Have a like gnash Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,279 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple.What about people that have looked and looked and still haven't found anything, what do you say to them....do more research is it? Of course not....id say do your research......make a decision,live with your decision..............but dont make a decision without doing your own research thats just silly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo Duke 420 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you.Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple.I've tried but I found much more enlightenment, truth and beauty in life, how do you know you have the right one? Who's to say Yahweh is the correct God? Maybe Islam is right, maybe Joseph smith is right, maybe Thor is right.........anybody who chooses to believe in a faith is already atheist against every other religion except the one they've chosen to throw in with I'm no different I've just gone gone one faith more than you. Well that's fair enough mate, its your choice, an if you look into the other religions, youl find out, but hey it's your choice pal... An by the way atheist, is a lack of beleif in dietys, not believing one an dismissing the rest. I'm aware of that I was just trying to make a point about belief in one and not the others but fair play I will admit to using the wrong wording. I see myself as an anti theist but if really pushed the only logical answer anybody with an open mind could say is that they are agnostic I'd have to say that because given evidence I would change but until that day I'm happier without theism in my life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple.What about people that have looked and looked and still haven't found anything, what do you say to them....do more research is it?How do you mean looked a looked, give .e a example mate, what's looking?Like you said earlier about drug addicts and alcoholics asking Jesus and he releases them from that burden, so does he release everybody? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple.What about people that have looked and looked and still haven't found anything, what do you say to them....do more research is it?How do you mean looked a looked, give .e a example mate, what's looking?Like you said earlier about drug addicts and alcoholics asking Jesus and he releases them from that burden, so does he release everybody? Oh yes, but there's more to it, we all have to go before the judgement seat of Christ, to account for our lives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you.Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple.I've tried but I found much more enlightenment, truth and beauty in life, how do you know you have the right one? Who's to say Yahweh is the correct God? Maybe Islam is right, maybe Joseph smith is right, maybe Thor is right.........anybody who chooses to believe in a faith is already atheist against every other religion except the one they've chosen to throw in with I'm no different I've just gone gone one faith more than you.Well that's fair enough mate, its your choice, an if you look into the other religions, youl find out, but hey it's your choice pal...An by the way atheist, is a lack of beleif in dietys, not believing one an dismissing the rest. I'm aware of that I was just trying to make a point about belief in one and not the others but fair play I will admit to using the wrong wording. I see myself as an anti theist but if really pushed the only logical answer anybody with an open mind could say is that they are agnostic I'd have to say that because given evidence I would change but until that day I'm happier without theism in my life. Fair enough mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I don't know it all in still learning an studying, there's more qualified people to answers questions, but il try. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,279 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 As regards the thing about alcoholics and druggies turning to God i cant see a problem with that desperate people do desperate things if it puts them on the right path thats a good thing surely ?......Ive seen desperate people walk into gyms and get absorbed in fitness as a way of not squandering their life and health away,some desperate people go mad into counselling meetings and suchlike.........if someone walks into a church and it helps then how can God not be a good thing. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple.What about people that have looked and looked and still haven't found anything, what do you say to them....do more research is it?How do you mean looked a looked, give .e a example mate, what's looking?Like you said earlier about drug addicts and alcoholics asking Jesus and he releases them from that burden, so does he release everybody? Oh yes, but there's more to it, we all have to go before the judgement seat of Christ, to account for our lives. When we go before the judgement seat of Christ I'm guessing we're dead, if we're found to be "not worthy" where do we go then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 As regards the thing about alcoholics and druggies turning to God i cant see a problem with that desperate people do desperate things if it puts them on the right path thats a good thing surely ?......Ive seen desperate people walk into gyms and get absorbed in fitness as a way of not squandering their life and health away,some desperate people go mad into counselling meetings and suchlike.........if someone walks into a church and it helps then how can God not be a good thing. Some people like exchanging one form of control/purpose for another imo, not all but some do. Edit...yes you are right that its a good thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,194 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 FLMAO OK Francie ya tool explain why the being you refer to as god allowed a 14 year old boy who had done nothing wrong in the world to die in his bed?? As for perfect translation.... You are full of piss and hot wind pal! Considering the Jews still make mistakes translating from archaic Hebrew to modern Hebrew for the tora. Nevermind going the extra step and putting it into other languages. Which all have different structures and words that have different meanings. Example "let's go" in Spanish can be one word which can mean let's go or the mutual agreement that a conversation is over. I find it pathetic a grown adult needs the crutch of religious belief! Even more that he/she believes that a book is absolute over 300 authors, over 2000 years to complete and most of it plagiarised from a different religion. And this daft twat thinks a book written in English is the most concise and accurate version?? go blow yourself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 FLMAO OK Francie ya tool explain why the being you refer to as god allowed a 14 year old boy who had done nothing wrong in the world to die in his bed?? As for perfect translation.... You are full of piss and hot wind pal! Considering the Jews still make mistakes translating from archaic Hebrew to modern Hebrew for the tora. Nevermind going the extra step and putting it into other languages. Which all have different structures and words that have different meanings. Example "let's go" in Spanish can be one word which can mean let's go or the mutual agreement that a conversation is over. I find it pathetic a grown adult needs the crutch of religious belief! Even more that he/she believes that a book is absolute over 300 authors, over 2000 years to complete and most of it plagiarised from a different religion. And this daft twat thinks a book written in English is the most concise and accurate version?? go blow yourself Why so aggressive 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,194 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Think that's aggressive?? Don't come anywhere near my named accounts/clients Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Don't come anywhere near my named accounts/clients Sorry you've lost me there, which isnt difficult lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,279 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 As regards the thing about alcoholics and druggies turning to God i cant see a problem with that desperate people do desperate things if it puts them on the right path thats a good thing surely ?......Ive seen desperate people walk into gyms and get absorbed in fitness as a way of not squandering their life and health away,some desperate people go mad into counselling meetings and suchlike.........if someone walks into a church and it helps then how can God not be a good thing. Some people like exchanging one form of control/purpose for another imo, not all but some do. Edit...yes you are right that its a good thing. Far as im concerned being good is good enough when you are at rock bottom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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