walshie 2,804 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 If you believe, you believe, but why are believers so intolerant of anyone who dares to have a different view?Aww poor poor walshie, stop being so dramatic, ya big baby, you live in the back arse of Wales, who treats you like that lol I didn't mean literally bullying because god botherers are too wimpy. I meant not willing to attempt to comprehend or respect another man's views. "I'm right. You're wrong." is all i hear from you pal. Also, while i'm here, I have a serious bible question. Why is it all "verily i say unto thee" when no-one said that, as it was all in Hebrew. I understand it was translated when people DID speak like that but why isn't there a more modern translation to make it less dull? Wimpy, don't bum herself mate, were not the ones letting this missus drive the quad, lol I would disagree with you there, I never said anyone was wrong, did me an kanny not agree anything possible, all in doing is giving a rebuttal, an my opinion, you need to get your glasses an pipe checked, lol The translation is in old English, an it was thoroughly done to a tee, an is the only translation to be trusted. How do you know it was thoroughly done to a tee? Have you translated it from Hebrew yourself or are you taking the translators' word for it? And if it is 100% accurate, how come no-one has bothered to translate it from old to modern English? Or Hebrew to modern English? Serious questions, so serious answer please, none of your usual lip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Actually yeah I'm studying it a bit, an it has been checked, an checked again, an meticulously examined, by scholars all over the world, for years, beleivers an non beleivers, people have dedicated there lives to finding mistakes an so forth, to no prevail There's no need to translate it, walshie, its fine how it is. Give me a reason why it should, an if your going down that route, you can't trust any writings, including your language, can you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo Duke 420 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 The bible is an amazing piece of literary work but to be fair there's no reason why it wouldn't be, it was compiled over 1,500 years and written by many different authors. It is full myth, tales, poetry, philosophy etc there are some very dark aspects in there too. I used to read it as a child in Sunday school and could never understand the logic of it but later on in my life I was lucky enough to see it for what it really is and throw religion away and now live my life as an anti-theist. I still admire the literature but there is much more fulfilment to be had in life when you live it for what it is, these days my bible is kept company on the bookshelf by the great works of Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, Cristher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins etc etc it's a lot like Plummer's work it's an alright read but shouldn't be taken literally and as long as you realise it's full of lies you can enjoy it. I respect your position pal, but could you point out the lies, like a Goodman. You believe every word in the bible that makes you a young earth creationist correct? You have to believe what's written in Genesis therefore you believe the universe, earth and all life is 10,000 years old, scientific evidence proves its a little older somewhere around 14 billion years old and that's just the tip of the iceberg. You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CushtyJook 1,097 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Wonder what ali from kebab house thinks Well he did wear a blinding gold cross underneath his shirt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacknife 2,005 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 The bible is an amazing piece of literary work but to be fair there's no reason why it wouldn't be, it was compiled over 1,500 years and written by many different authors. It is full myth, tales, poetry, philosophy etc there are some very dark aspects in there too. I used to read it as a child in Sunday school and could never understand the logic of it but later on in my life I was lucky enough to see it for what it really is and throw religion away and now live my life as an anti-theist. I still admire the literature but there is much more fulfilment to be had in life when you live it for what it is, these days my bible is kept company on the bookshelf by the great works of Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, Cristher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins etc etc it's a lot like Plummer's work it's an alright read but shouldn't be taken literally and as long as you realise it's full of lies you can enjoy it. I respect your position pal, but could you point out the lies, like a Goodman.You believe every word in the bible that makes you a young earth creationist correct? You have to believe what's written in Genesis therefore you believe the universe, earth and all life is 10,000 years old, scientific evidence proves its a little older somewhere around 14 billion years old and that's just the tip of the iceberg. You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you.You will soon be told theres no proof the earths millions of years old 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I don't need to prove anything, up to people what they want to believe, but I love a good science debate, been there done it thousand times. What empirical evidence proves the earth is billions of years old mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Actually yeah I'm studying it a bit, an it has been checked, an checked again, an meticulously examined, by scholars all over the world, for years, beleivers an non beleivers, people have dedicated there lives to finding mistakes an so forth, to no prevail There's no need to translate it, walshie, its fine how it is. Give me a reason why it should, an if your going down that route, you can't trust any writings, including your language, can you. I trust what i can see and hear mate. I'm not going down any route. I just thought if it was updated language wise you might get more kids interested in it. Quit being so defensive over an innocent question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yorkshire 151 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Father, son, holy spirit, trinity mate And yes I don't get the answer ? Was jesus actually god in the flesh or gods son . excuse my ignorance .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,279 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple. Edited July 27, 2015 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple.What about people that have looked and looked and still haven't found anything, what do you say to them....do more research is it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo Duke 420 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple. I've tried but I found much more enlightenment, truth and beauty in life, how do you know you have the right one? Who's to say Yahweh is the correct God? Maybe Islam is right, maybe Joseph smith is right, maybe Thor is right.........anybody who chooses to believe in a faith is already atheist against every other religion except the one they've chosen to throw in with I'm no different I've just gone gone one faith more than you. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Actually yeah I'm studying it a bit, an it has been checked, an checked again, an meticulously examined, by scholars all over the world, for years, beleivers an non beleivers, people have dedicated there lives to finding mistakes an so forth, to no prevail There's no need to translate it, walshie, its fine how it is. Give me a reason why it should, an if your going down that route, you can't trust any writings, including your language, can you. I trust what i can see and hear mate. I'm not going down any route. I just thought if it was updated language wise you might get more kids interested in it. Quit being so defensive over an innocent question. Mate I'm not honestly, in smiling sitting here, its just the way I type, an there's already loads of kids books mate, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Father, son, holy spirit, trinity mate And yes I don't get the answer ? Was jesus actually god in the flesh or gods son . excuse my ignorance .. Yeah mate he was all three. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple.What about people that have looked and looked and still haven't found anything, what do you say to them....do more research is it? How do you mean looked a looked, give .e a example mate, what's looking? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You're not going to leave your faith and neither are any others that's a shame but it's your choice. If you could show me evidence of any celestial higher being I'd change tomorrow but you have all of your work ahead of you. Why do people always want somebody else to do all the leg work for them......if you want to know something about God do your own research mate dont just say " show me the proof ".......far be it from me to give advice on such a subject but i,ll tell you the same words that somebody once told me and it stuck with me...... " if you want to know who God is the door handle is on the outside "..........ie,you have to open the door to go in he,s not going to drag you in kicking and screaming........ive found it good advice myself ....if you have the desire then go looking,simple.I've tried but I found much more enlightenment, truth and beauty in life, how do you know you have the right one? Who's to say Yahweh is the correct God? Maybe Islam is right, maybe Joseph smith is right, maybe Thor is right.........anybody who chooses to believe in a faith is already atheist against every other religion except the one they've chosen to throw in with I'm no different I've just gone gone one faith more than you. Well that's fair enough mate, its your choice, an if you look into the other religions, youl find out, but hey it's your choice pal... An by the way atheist, is a lack of beleif in dietys, not believing one an dismissing the rest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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