Pro's And Con's Of Adding Pure Greyhound To An Established Fanily Of Lurchers ??

[bunnys 1,228]

This is a saluki/bull/grey, generations of lurcher to lurcher breeding and working in the field.

Not as fast as a greyhound granted. But more than fast enough than a lurcher needs to be.

What would a pure greyhound offer over using him?

Again, genuine question. I don't know the answer...

. That's a nice animal and a favourite in these here parts put back ta a shepherd or herder mallinois etc then I believe a very good hard trainable animal could be got, atb bunnys.

[General lee 979]

 

 

 

if you want a touch of terrier in your breed theres not much else you can put a full beddy or wheaton on .ive 1 here beddy,x grey,x saluki ,only 6 months so we shall see,

 

The problem with Beddy or wheaton is getting from tested stock as theres not much about .... I am not saying theres none out the but I would think that theres more bred from shite than decent stuff ...

the beddy,x grey used in this cross doing the business real gamey dog..saluki lurcher bitch about 8yr old killing hares constant every season,heres hopeing,

One of the gamest things Ive seen from a lurcher was a wheaton cross ....and I dont use the word game much like others do ...

Was it you that posted this before but never told us what the dog done it drove me mad for ages not long forgot about it now you brought it up again haha

[jeemes 4,485]

Not much point in adding pure Grey in my opinion to anything that already has it in its makeup.. A lot of the Greys today are a bit wimpy anyway.I think its the Aussie blood. some of them look like razor blades. Coursing dogs in Ireland are bred for straight line pace and not open coursing. Many of them are 90-100lb in weight. They are not built for turning.Bare in mind Master mgrath was around the 50lb mark,thats a very small bitch size today,yet he won the Waterloo 3 times and shared it once..The only point using a pure Grey is in a f1 hybrid,and thats when a lot of thought should go into the Greyhound to be used and not just any old dog that could have been injury prone or suffers from shyness..

[deerdogs 418]

That's a nice animal and a favourite in these here parts put back ta a shepherd or herder mallinois etc then I believe a very good hard trainable animal could be got, atb bunnys.

 

Sorry for going off topic slightly but Bunnys, do you really think bull and shepherd/herder/malinois need each other in a lurchers breeding? if so, what do you believe one breed brings that the other doesn't? cheers

[bunnys 1,228]

Hi there deer dogs well for me the bull blood brings tenacity plus ,a high threshold to pain . If there's some chinks on the armour of herders shepherd types it would be this I believe the malls may have a drop in there maybe also the herders. But blending a type for specific types of work the right bull will work wonders and for me that would go for most types a lurchers bred for specifics .only my take on it we already have collie bull types and a drop works wonders also malls shepherds when lurchers have a temp some Cana manage or live with or get on with . I believe for certain handlers they could be very very good , maybe a mall Pitt f1 back ta a grey who knows we need ta see breeds for more than what they are and how we can utilise them , I have no doubt a xs such has these they could be very useful hope this helps just my thoughts only the brave move on atb bunnys.

[deerdogs 418]

Hi there deer dogs well for me the bull blood brings tenacity plus ,a high threshold to pain . If there's some chinks on the armour of herders shepherd types it would be this I believe the malls may have a drop in there maybe also the herders. But blending a type for specific types of work the right bull will work wonders and for me that would go for most types a lurchers bred for specifics .only my take on it we already have collie bull types and a drop works wonders also malls shepherds when lurchers have a temp some Cana manage or live with or get on with . I believe for certain handlers they could be very very good , maybe a mall Pitt f1 back ta a grey who knows we need ta see breeds for more than what they are and how we can utilise them , I have no doubt a xs such has these they could be very useful hope this helps just my thoughts only the brave move on atb bunnys.

Cheers for that Bunnys, I know of a few lads that have bull x herders that they train for bite work and i'd say they switch off better than some of the Malis. From the dogs I've seen work (herders and mals) I'd say they could match a bull for tenacity (although I'm sure many will disagree). I, myself have a KNPV bred Herder x Mali pup on at the moment, confident as anything with a decent full mouth grip.

[bird 9,941]

 

Hi there deer dogs well for me the bull blood brings tenacity plus ,a high threshold to pain . If there's some chinks on the armour of herders shepherd types it would be this I believe the malls may have a drop in there maybe also the herders. But blending a type for specific types of work the right bull will work wonders and for me that would go for most types a lurchers bred for specifics .only my take on it we already have collie bull types and a drop works wonders also malls shepherds when lurchers have a temp some Cana manage or live with or get on with . I believe for certain handlers they could be very very good , maybe a mall Pitt f1 back ta a grey who knows we need ta see breeds for more than what they are and how we can utilise them , I have no doubt a xs such has these they could be very useful hope this helps just my thoughts only the brave move on atb bunnys.

Cheers for that Bunnys, I know of a few lads that have bull x herders that they train for bite work and i'd say they switch off better than some of the Malis. From the dogs I've seen work (herders and mals) I'd say they could match a bull for tenacity (although I'm sure many will disagree). I, myself have a KNPV bred Herder x Mali pup on at the moment, confident as anything with a decent full mouth grip.

 

yeh they would in what you say true, my 1x gsd x grey very full on type dog, ive had 3 bullx greys before and Buck is as switched on as much as my bull xs were , he as strong or more stronger and deff more faster+ agile with hell of a bite. But where the old pitx grey is different as bunny says there will handle pain better than other type lurcher xs , its there mind set different I have found

[Stud dog 632]

I think the right greyhound brings prey drive hight speed an abit of wind but if I was going to use something I think I would go to a good salukixgreyhound just my opinion

[deerdogs 418]

 

 

Hi there deer dogs well for me the bull blood brings tenacity plus ,a high threshold to pain . If there's some chinks on the armour of herders shepherd types it would be this I believe the malls may have a drop in there maybe also the herders. But blending a type for specific types of work the right bull will work wonders and for me that would go for most types a lurchers bred for specifics .only my take on it we already have collie bull types and a drop works wonders also malls shepherds when lurchers have a temp some Cana manage or live with or get on with . I believe for certain handlers they could be very very good , maybe a mall Pitt f1 back ta a grey who knows we need ta see breeds for more than what they are and how we can utilise them , I have no doubt a xs such has these they could be very useful hope this helps just my thoughts only the brave move on atb bunnys.

Cheers for that Bunnys, I know of a few lads that have bull x herders that they train for bite work and i'd say they switch off better than some of the Malis. From the dogs I've seen work (herders and mals) I'd say they could match a bull for tenacity (although I'm sure many will disagree). I, myself have a KNPV bred Herder x Mali pup on at the moment, confident as anything with a decent full mouth grip.

 

yeh they would in what you say true, my 1x gsd x grey very full on type dog, ive had 3 bullx greys before and Buck is as switched on as much as my bull xs were , he as strong or more stronger and deff more faster+ agile with hell of a bite. But where the old pitx grey is different as bunny says there will handle pain better than other type lurcher xs , its there mind set different I have found

 

Nice one, cheers for your input Bird. I have limited experience of bull breeds as I never really had much interested in stuff that bites back.

[stevemac 441]

I've owned 2 dogs who's Dam was a pure Greyhound the first was a straight cross deerhound/ greyhound a good honest bitch would take on all game more of a point and shoot dog as fast as hell and made up for her lack of hunt by the great catches she made. The second is still young but showing Great promise his sire is from line of foxdogs staghound x whippet with a little staffy blood well back her was put to a greyhound bitch. this pup is showing plenty of hunt and speed hes taken a few bites and takes them in his stride. So I guess I have nothing against breeding out of the right greyhound and the to dams were doing the job before they were bred from.

Edited July 30, 2015 by stevemac

[trenchfoot 4,243]

Hi there deer dogs well for me the bull blood brings tenacity plus ,a high threshold to pain . If there's some chinks on the armour of herders shepherd types it would be this I believe the malls may have a drop in there maybe also the herders. But blending a type for specific types of work the right bull will work wonders and for me that would go for most types a lurchers bred for specifics .only my take on it we already have collie bull types and a drop works wonders also malls shepherds when lurchers have a temp some Cana manage or live with or get on with . I believe for certain handlers they could be very very good , maybe a mall Pitt f1 back ta a grey who knows we need ta see breeds for more than what they are and how we can utilise them , I have no doubt a xs such has these they could be very useful hope this helps just my thoughts only the brave move on atb bunnys.

I have found that adding a good dash of bull to any herding dog based type of lurcher takes the edge of the mental intensity when they are not working, without loosing any drive/intensity in the field. It can also reduce the sensitive nature of certain herding dog types. Which makes them an easier dog to live with, which may well be one of the reasons why the collie/bull lurcher has done well for many people

[bird 9,941]

 

Hi there deer dogs well for me the bull blood brings tenacity plus ,a high threshold to pain . If there's some chinks on the armour of herders shepherd types it would be this I believe the malls may have a drop in there maybe also the herders. But blending a type for specific types of work the right bull will work wonders and for me that would go for most types a lurchers bred for specifics .only my take on it we already have collie bull types and a drop works wonders also malls shepherds when lurchers have a temp some Cana manage or live with or get on with . I believe for certain handlers they could be very very good , maybe a mall Pitt f1 back ta a grey who knows we need ta see breeds for more than what they are and how we can utilise them , I have no doubt a xs such has these they could be very useful hope this helps just my thoughts only the brave move on atb bunnys.

I have found that adding a good dash of bull to any herding dog based type of lurcher takes the edge of the mental intensity when they are not working, without loosing any drive/intensity in the field. It can also reduce the sensitive nature of certain herding dog types. Which makes them an easier dog to live with, which may well be one of the reasons why the collie/bull lurcher has done well for many people

 

true bit of pit deff reduce that bit of sensitive nature you get in a lot of herding breeds both my 2 are very sensitive /wimpy type nature , which I have always found hard to live with being honest I like drop of pit in lurcher it adds a lot of good things I think, well it does for me .