Pro's And Con's Of Adding Pure Greyhound To An Established Fanily Of Lurchers ??

[stabba 10,745]

The question is...would you?

Personally I wouldn't unless it was to produce a litter of genuine first crosses.

I think there are better alternatives out there rather than pure greyhound blood.

My opinion is that the greyhound adds nothing but speed and very little else.

Discuss.

[stabba 10,745]

Sorry I meant Family not fanily lol

[morton 5,368]

The question is...would you?

Personally I wouldn't unless it was to produce a litter of genuine first crosses.

I think there are better alternatives out there rather than pure greyhound blood.

My opinion is that the greyhound adds nothing but speed and very little else.

Discuss.

You only have to see a Coursing Grew in flight to see what it as to offer,plus they can balance a litter out like a lurcher cross never can.One of the best Hare catchers and fox slayers was an ex track dog,lacked stamina yet added so much to the litter he sired.They are far more useful and versatile than some will lend you to believe,id still use a lurcher stud over a Grey though.

[stabba 10,745]

 

The question is...would you?

Personally I wouldn't unless it was to produce a litter of genuine first crosses.

I think there are better alternatives out there rather than pure greyhound blood.

My opinion is that the greyhound adds nothing but speed and very little else.

Discuss.

You only have to see a Coursing Grew in flight to see what it as to offer,plus they can balance a litter out like a lurcher cross never can.One of the best Hare catchers and fox slayers was an ex track dog,lacked stamina yet added so much to the litter he sired.They are far more useful and versatile than some will lend you to believe,id still use a lurcher stud over a Grey though.

 

So after singing their praises you'd still choose a lurcher stud. Can I ask why? it seems to me well it's a fact really that a lot of folk are now going to coursing stock (established lines of saluki blooded dogs)rather than the pure greyhound blood.

[morton 5,368]

 

 

The question is...would you?

Personally I wouldn't unless it was to produce a litter of genuine first crosses.

I think there are better alternatives out there rather than pure greyhound blood.

My opinion is that the greyhound adds nothing but speed and very little else.

Discuss.

You only have to see a Coursing Grew in flight to see what it as to offer,plus they can balance a litter out like a lurcher cross never can.One of the best Hare catchers and fox slayers was an ex track dog,lacked stamina yet added so much to the litter he sired.They are far more useful and versatile than some will lend you to believe,id still use a lurcher stud over a Grey though.

 

So after singing their praises you'd still choose a lurcher stud. Can I ask why? it seems to me well it's a fact really that a lot of folk are now going to coursing stock (established lines of saluki blooded dogs)rather than the pure greyhound blood.

 

Ive owned lurchers with a Greyhound dam and sire,both of which i personally bred,the resultant litters were decent dogs in the field,yet,lurcher to lurcher bred offered a lineage of that little bit more,that little bit more often aided the gallop and catch.If i could not source a decent lurcher stud to a useful bitch id source an honest coursing Grey,i may miss the best out of the first cross but would expect to pick that up in the next generation,ive the patience some don,t.I know what both offer and the first cross may balance a litter that the second and third generations will benefit from.

[stabba 10,745]

That's the sort of decent answer I was after

Using a pure bred grey over a lurcher certainly adds the speed but I'd say takes away some of the rugged durability that for instance a good line bred saluki hybrid would add. There are some good ingredients here for a cracking discussion.

[leegreen 2,180]

Like most things you need the right one.

Problem is you can loose so much for the risk of gaining speed, it's all a weigh up.

[thefensarefarbutistillgo 2,482]

I think to much greyhound blood makes them to dainty around cover and lack nose and hunting ability, seem to loose interest to quickly as soon as they have lost sight of there quarry and not determined enough to try and find it again

[morton 5,368]

That's the sort of decent answer I was after

Using a pure bred grey over a lurcher certainly adds the speed but I'd say takes away some of the rugged durability that for instance a good line bred saluki hybrid would add. There are some good ingredients here for a cracking discussion.

Apart from the speed factor it offers a balance,the majority of lurcher litters bred will have at least 4 or 5 breedings in the mix,the more you breed lurcher to lurcher the more chance you have of throwing in the x factor,the x factor can throw to the Whippet,the Collie,the terrier etc.in the mix,the Greyhound balance can make for a more level and regular litter that balances the x factor in the mix.

[leegreen 2,180]

I wouldn't say hunting ability. Some it's all they live for and not a lot else.

Gaining height is a bonus with a Greyhound and obviously that improves sight.

[morton 5,368]

I think to much greyhound blood makes them to dainty around cover and lack nose and hunting ability, seem to loose interest to quickly as soon as they have lost sight of there quarry and not determined enough to try and find it again

Something the Grey adds is prey drive,they are far more driven than people realise,anything in front of them they wish to chase and kill,anything,dainty around cover is not in a Greys make-up,they don,t have the brains to be dainty and careful.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

I've always liked the idea of greyhound blood and said I would work a pure grey one day.

 

However this pup of mine has made me realise that a well bred working lurcher seems to just "know" the job. She's been at home in the field since the day her feet touched the ground, I've got photos of her marking rabbit warrens on some of her first outings, she's keen as mustard at an early age, almost killed herself already in pursuit of quarry, she takes everything in her stride, from water to obstacles, nothing phases her, she naturally leaves nets alone at ferreting and just knows that ferret in means rabbit out, I know this is learnt and not inherited, but it was learnt pretty damn quick. I'm not saying she's gonna make a good worker later in life, but the early signs are very positive.

 

I don't believe you would get this with a badly bred lurcher or a dog bred from non working stock, but I may be wrong.

 

my brindle bitch certainly didn't have this, she has had to be shown everything time and time again. Reassured, shown again. And then she may hesitate the next time asked. It's a world of difference.

 

I don't think a pure greyhound is going to assist in achieving this "natural field hunter" behaviour.

[morton 5,368]

Greyhound blood will level out a line for generations

Pace' Desire' game ness ect Youl get in abundance using the right blood.

But as with everything source the right blood

And again only my opinion only use Staying and marathon types

All greyhounds will add pace but you want to keep as much stay as possible.

 

Using a sprinting type will prob see the resulting pups blowing up after a good course ect

 

Coursing Greyhounds nowdays are to big and heavy to bring into most lurcher lines for me ?

 

Maybe a small 60-65lb coursing bitch but not a 85-100 LB Coursing Grey dog.

 

As with everything it's personal choice.

The last greyhound i utilised as as a stud was 29" and over 80lb,banned from the track because of his aggression,id not want much less even from a lurcher bred stud,as you state personal choice,which comes with hunting lifestyle.

[tatsblisters 9,995]

My opnion is same as yours stabba in that the greyhound offers nothing only speed and thats after owning numerouse lurchers out of pure greys in the last forty years ive had lurchers.

[mud 2,044]

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Edited August 2, 2015 by mud