Pro's And Con's Of Adding Pure Greyhound To An Established Fanily Of Lurchers ??

[thefensarefarbutistillgo 2,482]

My opnion is same as yours stabba in that the greyhound offers nothing only speed and thats after owning numerouse lurchers out of pure greys in the last forty years ive had lurchers.

were the ones you had out of pure greys any good round cover, i.e smashing threw hedges on a run, staying on there quarry threw bits of rough cover, copse and small woods etc and putting there nose down to find there quarry again if they lost sight momentarily

[Lenmcharristar 9,827]

Mon fellas, the greyhound is the top dog in the creation of the lurchers, for if it can't run it ain't no lurchers , if greys were that bad they would have been extinct, some forget what they grey has done for hunting dogs pure and crosses

[rodders85 6]

Id say most have enough greyhound blood in them for most people, and they feel there's no need for anymore as people seem happy they have enough speed in there dogs, and the purpose of crossing in the first place that made the lurcher was for a harder more intelligent dog that was better for the job and to add grey back in is pointless to go backwards. I think instead of adding grey blood, breeding lurcher to lurcher keeps from too much of each each cross coming through.you'd be better starting from scratch with a total new line to end up with a bit more speed through adding to the greyhound rather than add to add or even take what you need out of a lurcher.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Mon fellas, the greyhound is the top dog in the creation of the lurchers, for if it can't run it ain't no lurchers , if greys were that bad they would have been extinct, some forget what they grey has done for hunting dogs pure and crosses

There's no disputing that the greyhound has made the lurcher what it is today mate.

 

But do we need to put a pure greyhound over a lurcher to add speed?

 

When there are lots of very fast and racey lurchers out there? Genuine question. I don't know the answer or if there is a genetic reason why you can't keep breeding lurcher to lurcher.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

This is a saluki/bull/grey, generations of lurcher to lurcher breeding and working in the field.

 

Not as fast as a greyhound granted. But more than fast enough than a lurcher needs to be.

 

What would a pure greyhound offer over using him?

 

Again, genuine question. I don't know the answer...

 

[tatsblisters 9,991]

 

My opnion is same as yours stabba in that the greyhound offers nothing only speed and thats after owning numerouse lurchers out of pure greys in the last forty years ive had lurchers.

were the ones you had out of pure greys any good round cover, i.e smashing threw hedges on a run, staying on there quarry threw bits of rough cover, copse and small woods etc and putting there nose down to find there quarry again if they lost sight momentarily

 

One out of a first cross saluki x grey back to greyhound was suicidal around cover and was always getting injured and a first cross saluki x grey i had smashed his leg up bad and had to be pts after chaseing and following a roe into cover.

[bunnys 1,228]

Personally other than f1xs breedintngs first generation Thers no need this day and age to use grey blood again I know breeding stake place back ta greys and the foresight of future generations are being put in place producers can be got this ways when bred from good stock . Coursing stock ta lurches or even coursing stock ta base animals can be very good for the working mans lur herald I believe bred right they can be very good. Getting back ta greys my old buddy only kept greys we has boys he had three one and then together from six week old wells used them same has a lurcher they were okay but he liked pure speed and didn't have the need of much else but hey they fared okay back then it don't take much ta see that saluki blood gives hell of a lot ta working lurcher mans animal , if they'd want hound that can run good numbers stay cool recover quick and of course running brain just a drop in a line adds big big pluses and bred back ta lurchers one can iron some of the undesirable traits that some folk Cana live with. if folk don't fancy the sal blood in there lines using f1studs will

Influence the qualitys of the line or type one wishes to reproduce. Atb bunnys.

[DEERMAN 1,020]

The question is...would you?

Personally I wouldn't unless it was to produce a litter of genuine first crosses.

I think there are better alternatives out there rather than pure greyhound blood.

My opinion is that the greyhound adds nothing but speed and very little else.

Discuss.

Spot on , A well breed coursing dog much better alternative , Id go far as saying I personally wouldn't have another 3/4 bred greyhound either but that's my veiw

[Neal 1,873]

I think it goes back to what somebody said above and also the argument always given in favour of first crosses over lurcher x lurcher i.e. you know exactly what you're getting. I'm not saying that this is a good reason but it's certainly an understandable one. You need to know more about the two individuals and their ancestors with a lurcher x lurcher (or something else x lurcher for that matter) than with a straight cross where you know the exact percentages. For some the certainty of knowing what percentages of each breed their dog supposedly has outweighs the drawbacks of having to research the pedigree and the perceived uncertainty of the outcome of the mating.

Edited July 27, 2015 by Neal

[MIK 4,763]

 

 

 

The question is...would you?

Personally I wouldn't unless it was to produce a litter of genuine first crosses.

I think there are better alternatives out there rather than pure greyhound blood.

My opinion is that the greyhound adds nothing but speed and very little else.

Discuss.

You only have to see a Coursing Grew in flight to see what it as to offer,plus they can balance a litter out like a lurcher cross never can.One of the best Hare catchers and fox slayers was an ex track dog,lacked stamina yet added so much to the litter he sired.They are far more useful and versatile than some will lend you to believe,id still use a lurcher stud over a Grey though.

 

So after singing their praises you'd still choose a lurcher stud. Can I ask why? it seems to me well it's a fact really that a lot of folk are now going to coursing stock (established lines of saluki blooded dogs)rather than the pure greyhound blood.

 

Ive owned lurchers with a Greyhound dam and sire,both of which i personally bred,the resultant litters were decent dogs in the field,yet,lurcher to lurcher bred offered a lineage of that little bit more,that little bit more often aided the gallop and catch.If i could not source a decent lurcher stud to a useful bitch id source an honest coursing Grey,i may miss the best out of the first cross but would expect to pick that up in the next generation,ive the patience some don,t.I know what both offer and the first cross may balance a litter that the second and third generations will benefit from.

 

How do you rate the youngsters you have out of Tigger so far Morton compared to lurchers you have had in the past out of pure greys ?...I have seen running dogs that have been heavily greyhound saturated and have not lacked pace or drive but have lacked stamina and wind for a full days or nights graft ....there is no doubt the greyhound has its place in the lurcher world but imo a good saluk based lurcher offers that bit more .

[nans pat 2,575]

if you want a touch of terrier in your breed theres not much else you can put a full beddy or wheaton on .ive 1 here beddy,x grey,x saluki ,only 6 months so we shall see,

[MIK 4,763]

if you want a touch of terrier in your breed theres not much else you can put a full beddy or wheaton on .ive 1 here beddy,x grey,x saluki ,only 6 months so we shall see,

The problem with Beddy or wheaton is getting from tested stock as theres not much about .... I am not saying theres none out the but I would think that theres more bred from shite than decent stuff ...

[nans pat 2,575]

 

if you want a touch of terrier in your breed theres not much else you can put a full beddy or wheaton on .ive 1 here beddy,x grey,x saluki ,only 6 months so we shall see,

The problem with Beddy or wheaton is getting from tested stock as theres not much about .... I am not saying theres none out the but I would think that theres more bred from shite than decent stuff ...

 

the beddy,x grey used in this cross doing the business real gamey dog..saluki lurcher bitch about 8yr old killing hares constant every season,heres hopeing,

[MIK 4,763]

 

 

if you want a touch of terrier in your breed theres not much else you can put a full beddy or wheaton on .ive 1 here beddy,x grey,x saluki ,only 6 months so we shall see,

The problem with Beddy or wheaton is getting from tested stock as theres not much about .... I am not saying theres none out the but I would think that theres more bred from shite than decent stuff ...

 

the beddy,x grey used in this cross doing the business real gamey dog..saluki lurcher bitch about 8yr old killing hares constant every season,heres hopeing,

 

One of the gamest things Ive seen from a lurcher was a wheaton cross ....and I dont use the word game much like others do ...

[dogmad riley 1,344]

This is a saluki/bull/grey, generations of lurcher to lurcher breeding and working in the field.

 

Not as fast as a greyhound granted. But more than fast enough than a lurcher needs to be.

 

What would a pure greyhound offer over using him?

 

Again, genuine question. I don't know the answer...

 

I think you answered your own question their gaz, if the dogs make up isn't broken don't fix it