lurchers 2,842 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 We charge £36That's silly cheap! You could add £20 to that and still be busy! There's no point being cheap and having to do twice the work for the money you could get for 1 nest. We are more than £36 and get very few refusals!! It's time this industry as a whole learned to charge decent money, you wouldn't get a plumber out for that money. Too many out there working for next to nothing. It's not a dig btw just interesting to see different prices. I think that £40-£50 for 15-20 min work is ok, particulary when several of these jobs could be done daily, true a plumber could be more than this, but then they will be a the job longer. How can you justify an £ + price when the raw ingredient costs pennies, greed comes to mind I think you are true to on that 1 mate robbing people like that ffs dick Turpin wore a mask mate and you are doing it in plain sight.when I worked for Mitie which is a big company they didn't charge that.Mitie do charge silly money for wasp nests unless it's for mhs or the home serve lot. I'm ex mitie too As you are Working for the LA that cost is a subsidised rate hence why it's so cheap. Any sensible independent pestie will charge to cover expenses, it's nothing to do with the cost of chemical, that's pennies, running 1or more vans, insurances, training, travel time, you are accepting responsibility for treatment etc etc etc. realistically it's £45ph minimum if looking to run a profitable business which the LA is not. Luckily it's a 3 week wait here for LA treatments so long may it continue to put money our business's way lol It was only silly money for house insurance ie home serve which was £ which I thought was a rip off,I was with them from eagle to Mitie and once Mitie took over what a set of penny pinching twats they where,from staff and customers. Quote Link to post
shropshire mole 190 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Mr Muddy Very true.......... Work out all of the costs involved from start to finish including fuel insurances etc etc and see how much profit there is in a £50 nest. Its not ripping people off its providing a service. "R" prices rip people off at £302 per nest. If people don't want to pay your prices then they will book you if not they will ring elsewhere. One customer today quoted " the LA charge less then you" I had to reply yes and we will be with you later today with a half hour time slot. They will be with you one day very soon and you may be lucky if you get an "Am" or "PM" time slot. Like its been said the LA do subsidise their prices I don't. If people won't pay a decent price then ask them to ring around. Don't be the fool who does 10 jobs a day for £50 profit be the one that does 5 jobs for £100 profit. Don't undersell your business. I charge £66 of which £11 is Vat so £55 per nest Something is very wrong if you can only make £50 profit after 10 jobs Quote Link to post
Mr Muddy 141 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Here’s some of the things that might be on your costing sheet for even a wasps’ nest: Travel expenses @ £1 per mile (including fuel, vehicle purchase/rental, road tax & insurance, vehicle deprecation). Technician’s time (including traveling to job) @ £20 per Hour (inc; holiday, pension & employers contribution). Office time @ £25 per hour (inc; staff, heat, light, power, rent, rates). Materials Sundries – this is really important; say I bought all the kit to do wasps (bee suit, duster, mask, etc = total cost £360) and I want to make my money back in 20 jobs, I will have to add £18 to each job. So a wasp job might cost you: Travel = £10 Tech Time = £15 Office Time = £5 Materials = £1 Sundries = £18 Total Cost = £49-00 £49-00 is what it cost you to do the job !!!! Does enyone still think £36 is a sensible price to charge? 2 Quote Link to post
Dirksdonuts 79 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Mr Muddy Very true.......... Work out all of the costs involved from start to finish including fuel insurances etc etc and see how much profit there is in a £50 nest. Its not ripping people off its providing a service. "R" prices rip people off at £302 per nest. If people don't want to pay your prices then they will book you if not they will ring elsewhere. One customer today quoted " the LA charge less then you" I had to reply yes and we will be with you later today with a half hour time slot. They will be with you one day very soon and you may be lucky if you get an "Am" or "PM" time slot. Like its been said the LA do subsidise their prices I don't. If people won't pay a decent price then ask them to ring around. Don't be the fool who does 10 jobs a day for £50 profit be the one that does 5 jobs for £100 profit. Don't undersell your business. I charge £66 of which £11 is Vat so £55 per nest Something is very wrong if you can only make £50 profit after 10 jobs The prices were used as an example not facts Quote Link to post
Dirksdonuts 79 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Here’s some of the things that might be on your costing sheet for even a wasps’ nest: Travel expenses @ £1 per mile (including fuel, vehicle purchase/rental, road tax & insurance, vehicle deprecation). Technician’s time (including traveling to job) @ £20 per Hour (inc; holiday, pension & employers contribution). Office time @ £25 per hour (inc; staff, heat, light, power, rent, rates). Materials Sundries – this is really important; say I bought all the kit to do wasps (bee suit, duster, mask, etc = total cost £360) and I want to make my money back in 20 jobs, I will have to add £18 to each job. So a wasp job might cost you: Travel = £10 Tech Time = £15 Office Time = £5 Materials = £1 Sundries = £18 Total Cost = £49-00 £49-00 is what it cost you to do the job !!!! Does enyone still think £36 is a sensible price to charge? There is no mention of Tax anywhere in that Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Thems some frightening statistics,..quite an in depth analysis.... Feck knows how I have ever made any vonga from the wasps, over the last 30 years.... Edited July 25, 2015 by Phil Lloyd 2 Quote Link to post
Mr Muddy 141 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Here’s some of the things that might be on your costing sheet for even a wasps’ nest: Travel expenses @ £1 per mile (including fuel, vehicle purchase/rental, road tax & insurance, vehicle deprecation). Technician’s time (including traveling to job) @ £20 per Hour (inc; holiday, pension & employers contribution). Office time @ £25 per hour (inc; staff, heat, light, power, rent, rates). Materials Sundries – this is really important; say I bought all the kit to do wasps (bee suit, duster, mask, etc = total cost £360) and I want to make my money back in 20 jobs, I will have to add £18 to each job. So a wasp job might cost you: Travel = £10 Tech Time = £15 Office Time = £5 Materials = £1 Sundries = £18 Total Cost = £49-00 £49-00 is what it cost you to do the job !!!! Does enyone still think £36 is a sensible price to charge? There is no mention of Tax anywhere in that And Tax on the profits of course mate; but it sounds like a lot of people are making a loss Quote Link to post
Tiercel 6,986 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Here’s some of the things that might be on your costing sheet for even a wasps’ nest: Travel expenses @ £1 per mile (including fuel, vehicle purchase/rental, road tax & insurance, vehicle deprecation). Technician’s time (including traveling to job) @ £20 per Hour (inc; holiday, pension & employers contribution). Office time @ £25 per hour (inc; staff, heat, light, power, rent, rates). Materials Sundries – this is really important; say I bought all the kit to do wasps (bee suit, duster, mask, etc = total cost £360) and I want to make my money back in 20 jobs, I will have to add £18 to each job. So a wasp job might cost you: Travel = £10 Tech Time = £15 Office Time = £5 Materials = £1 Sundries = £18 Total Cost = £49-00 £49-00 is what it cost you to do the job !!!! Does enyone still think £36 is a sensible price to charge? What a load of bollocks. Nearly everything on that list is deductible. So you pay out for your sundries and after 20 jobs do you stop putting that into your pricing? Or does the suit and stuff only last 20 jobs then you renew? Figures can be made to look like anything you want, if the full facts behind the figures are not disclosed. TC 1 Quote Link to post
Mr Muddy 141 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) No, I’m simply pointing out that, from one perspective, you don’t make a profit from something until it’s already paid for its self. Yes, it’s an asset; but you can’t spend assets. And yes its deductible; but you need to earn something to deduct it from. So why not add it to a costing sheet that only you’re going to see? If you take a cost per job of around £30 (so, not including the £18 sundry, if you don't think that's being honest), double it and add vat, I think you’ll come close to what I think should be the industry standard. That’s all I’m trying to say, and I think I’ve made a fair case for it. Edited July 25, 2015 by Mr Muddy Quote Link to post
TOMO 26,231 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Here’s some of the things that might be on your costing sheet for even a wasps’ nest: Travel expenses @ £1 per mile (including fuel, vehicle purchase/rental, road tax & insurance, vehicle deprecation). Technician’s time (including traveling to job) @ £20 per Hour (inc; holiday, pension & employers contribution). Office time @ £25 per hour (inc; staff, heat, light, power, rent, rates). Materials Sundries – this is really important; say I bought all the kit to do wasps (bee suit, duster, mask, etc = total cost £360) and I want to make my money back in 20 jobs, I will have to add £18 to each job. So a wasp job might cost you: Travel = £10 Tech Time = £15 Office Time = £5 Materials = £1 Sundries = £18 Total Cost = £49-00 £49-00 is what it cost you to do the job !!!! Does enyone still think £36 is a sensible price to charge? There is no mention of Tax anywhere in that A cold shiver went up my spine when someone mentioned tax,,,,,far better when it's avoided,,, 2 Quote Link to post
lurchers 2,842 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Heres some of the things that might be on your costing sheet for even a wasps nest: Travel expenses @ £1 per mile (including fuel, vehicle purchase/rental, road tax & insurance, vehicle deprecation). Technicians time (including traveling to job) @ £20 per Hour (inc; holiday, pension & employers contribution). Office time @ £25 per hour (inc; staff, heat, light, power, rent, rates). Materials Sundries this is really important; say I bought all the kit to do wasps (bee suit, duster, mask, etc = total cost £360) and I want to make my money back in 20 jobs, I will have to add £18 to each job. So a wasp job might cost you: Travel = £10 Tech Time = £15 Office Time = £5 Materials = £1 Sundries = £18 Total Cost = £49-00 £49-00 is what it cost you to do the job !!!! Does enyone still think £36 is a sensible price to charge? It must be doing your head in knowing that the council I work for charges £36,at the end of the day they are making something or they wouldn't be doing it now would they.councils used to be free but not now even if it's there property you have to pay now.at the end of the day they could charge £1 I'm not bothered as long as they are still paying my wages. Quote Link to post
Dirksdonuts 79 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Heres some of the things that might be on your costing sheet for even a wasps nest: Travel expenses @ £1 per mile (including fuel, vehicle purchase/rental, road tax & insurance, vehicle deprecation). Technicians time (including traveling to job) @ £20 per Hour (inc; holiday, pension & employers contribution). Office time @ £25 per hour (inc; staff, heat, light, power, rent, rates). Materials Sundries this is really important; say I bought all the kit to do wasps (bee suit, duster, mask, etc = total cost £360) and I want to make my money back in 20 jobs, I will have to add £18 to each job. So a wasp job might cost you: Travel = £10 Tech Time = £15 Office Time = £5 Materials = £1 Sundries = £18 Total Cost = £49-00 £49-00 is what it cost you to do the job !!!! Does enyone still think £36 is a sensible price to charge? It must be doing your head in knowing that the council I work for charges £36,at the end of the day they are making something or they wouldn't be doing it now would they.councils used to be free but not now even if it's there property you have to pay now.at the end of the day they could charge £1 I'm not bothered as long as they are still paying my wages. Subsidised by the Property tax that we all pay Quote Link to post
ratattack 111 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 We charge £36That's silly cheap! You could add £20 to that and still be busy! There's no point being cheap and having to do twice the work for the money you could get for 1 nest. We are more than £36 and get very few refusals!! It's time this industry as a whole learned to charge decent money, you wouldn't get a plumber out for that money. Too many out there working for next to nothing. It's not a dig btw just interesting to see different prices. I think that £40-£50 for 15-20 min work is ok, particulary when several of these jobs could be done daily, true a plumber could be more than this, but then they will be a the job longer. How can you justify an £ + price when the raw ingredient costs pennies, greed comes to mind I think you are true to on that 1 mate robbing people like that ffs dick Turpin wore a mask mate and you are doing it in plain sight.when I worked for Mitie which is a big company they didn't charge that.Mitie do charge silly money for wasp nests unless it's for mhs or the home serve lot. I'm ex mitie too As you are Working for the LA that cost is a subsidised rate hence why it's so cheap. Any sensible independent pestie will charge to cover expenses, it's nothing to do with the cost of chemical, that's pennies, running 1or more vans, insurances, training, travel time, you are accepting responsibility for treatment etc etc etc. realistically it's £45ph minimum if looking to run a profitable business which the LA is not. Luckily it's a 3 week wait here for LA treatments so long may it continue to put money our business's way lol It was only silly money for house insurance ie home serve which was £ which I thought was a rip off,I was with them from eagle to Mitie and once Mitie took over what a set of penny pinching twats they where,from staff and customers. Couldn't agree more about the mitie comments! Slavery has been abolished but they failed to pass that along to mitie! Quote Link to post
shropshire mole 190 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Here’s some of the things that might be on your costing sheet for even a wasps’ nest: Travel expenses @ £1 per mile (including fuel, vehicle purchase/rental, road tax & insurance, vehicle deprecation). Technician’s time (including traveling to job) @ £20 per Hour (inc; holiday, pension & employers contribution). Office time @ £25 per hour (inc; staff, heat, light, power, rent, rates). Materials Sundries – this is really important; say I bought all the kit to do wasps (bee suit, duster, mask, etc = total cost £360) and I want to make my money back in 20 jobs, I will have to add £18 to each job. So a wasp job might cost you: Travel = £10 Tech Time = £15 Office Time = £5 Materials = £1 Sundries = £18 Total Cost = £49-00 £49-00 is what it cost you to do the job !!!! Does enyone still think £36 is a sensible price to charge? Travel £1 per mile!!! Claim 45p/mile for tax purposes, really £5 for office? A phone call, an answer, 50p max. sundries? so after 20 jobs the cost goes down to by £18 so that £31, Materials £1 really , you only get 30 jobs from 3kg of Ficam D?, So each job costs peanuts (relatively) Edited July 26, 2015 by shropshire mole Quote Link to post
Mr Muddy 141 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 I can’t believe people are actually arguing the right to charge less rather than more. Says a lot about the mental state and self-worth of some people working in pest control. Suits me fine. I like weak competition 2 Quote Link to post
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