A Bit Of Enrichment For The Mp's To Enjoy

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

 

 

 

Just keep dreaming BGD, it all became much clearer when I realised you are just taking us for a ride in your dreamtime that even you stated are not possible

Pretty sure the only thing I said wasn't possible was doing away with borders under the current system?

 

As for saying it's a dream well I'm just being honest and realistic, do you see a global Communist revolution happening anytime soon? Doesn't mean I won't be working my whole life towards making it closer to reality...

And when that revolution happens then fails killing tens of millions,the human excrement of 2 or 3 generations later will all whine in their feminine,lisping voices that BGD's form of communism wasn't REAL communism and people should try again,because THIS time it'll work

 

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Because capitalism works so well what with needing to be bailed out of crisis after crisis by socialism

 

Communism turned the USSR from a feudal agricultural society to one of the industrial powers of the world in less than a generation, no capitalist nation has ever achieved economic growth to match it and that was with the whole world doing everything in its power to stop it succeeding

 

But of course communism is the fatally flawed system not capitalism

And the oligarchy got richer and the poor got poorer, communism might sound good in theory but in reality it is just another corrupt way to enslave and control the masses. Why you would fight for something that has caused so much suffering for so many is beyond me.

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just keep dreaming BGD, it all became much clearer when I realised you are just taking us for a ride in your dreamtime that even you stated are not possible

Pretty sure the only thing I said wasn't possible was doing away with borders under the current system?

 

As for saying it's a dream well I'm just being honest and realistic, do you see a global Communist revolution happening anytime soon? Doesn't mean I won't be working my whole life towards making it closer to reality...

And when that revolution happens then fails killing tens of millions,the human excrement of 2 or 3 generations later will all whine in their feminine,lisping voices that BGD's form of communism wasn't REAL communism and people should try again,because THIS time it'll work

 

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Because capitalism works so well what with needing to be bailed out of crisis after crisis by socialism

 

Communism turned the USSR from a feudal agricultural society to one of the industrial powers of the world in less than a generation, no capitalist nation has ever achieved economic growth to match it and that was with the whole world doing everything in its power to stop it succeeding

 

But of course communism is the fatally flawed system not capitalism

And the oligarchy got richer and the poor got poorer, communism might sound good in theory but in reality it is just another corrupt way to enslave and control the masses. Why you would fight for something that has caused so much suffering for so many is beyond me.

Literally all criticisms that apply to capitalism too, so why would you fight for capitalism?

 

Capitalism has caused and still causes far more suffering and inequality than Communism ever has...

Edited July 21, 2015 by BGD

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

Just keep dreaming BGD, it all became much clearer when I realised you are just taking us for a ride in your dreamtime that even you stated are not possible

Pretty sure the only thing I said wasn't possible was doing away with borders under the current system?

 

As for saying it's a dream well I'm just being honest and realistic, do you see a global Communist revolution happening anytime soon? Doesn't mean I won't be working my whole life towards making it closer to reality...

And when that revolution happens then fails killing tens of millions,the human excrement of 2 or 3 generations later will all whine in their feminine,lisping voices that BGD's form of communism wasn't REAL communism and people should try again,because THIS time it'll work

 

.

Because capitalism works so well what with needing to be bailed out of crisis after crisis by socialism

 

Communism turned the USSR from a feudal agricultural society to one of the industrial powers of the world in less than a generation, no capitalist nation has ever achieved economic growth to match it and that was with the whole world doing everything in its power to stop it succeeding

 

But of course communism is the fatally flawed system not capitalism

 

 

They're both flawed systems,one has proven it can work to a degree,the other has proven it can't.

 

No system can work effectively with an inherently divided population.

 

In an inherently united and honourable society you don't even need laws.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

Following the evolution from socialist society into communist society, "the State" would be abolished (as it would be unnecessary). Communism is a social system, rather than a method of government. So, a revolution would eventually render obsolete any politicians who would advocate it............

 

 

 

 

 

.......not that I'm an old leftie or anything, you understand !

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just keep dreaming BGD, it all became much clearer when I realised you are just taking us for a ride in your dreamtime that even you stated are not possible

Pretty sure the only thing I said wasn't possible was doing away with borders under the current system?

 

As for saying it's a dream well I'm just being honest and realistic, do you see a global Communist revolution happening anytime soon? Doesn't mean I won't be working my whole life towards making it closer to reality...

And when that revolution happens then fails killing tens of millions,the human excrement of 2 or 3 generations later will all whine in their feminine,lisping voices that BGD's form of communism wasn't REAL communism and people should try again,because THIS time it'll work

 

.

Because capitalism works so well what with needing to be bailed out of crisis after crisis by socialism

 

Communism turned the USSR from a feudal agricultural society to one of the industrial powers of the world in less than a generation, no capitalist nation has ever achieved economic growth to match it and that was with the whole world doing everything in its power to stop it succeeding

 

But of course communism is the fatally flawed system not capitalism

And the oligarchy got richer and the poor got poorer, communism might sound good in theory but in reality it is just another corrupt way to enslave and control the masses. Why you would fight for something that has caused so much suffering for so many is beyond me.

Literally all criticisms that apply to capitalism too, so why would you fight for capitalism?

 

Capitalism has caused and still causes far more suffering and inequality than Communism ever has...

I do not and will not ever fight for capitalism, I will fight for caring for each other and especially the environment and I hope one day everybody learns to care for each other and the world will be a happy place, I really believe it is that simple but greed and confusion keeps us in a state of fear and easily controlled by a sick and vile minority. How stupid we are! No wonder we are considered 'goyim'(human cattle)

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just keep dreaming BGD, it all became much clearer when I realised you are just taking us for a ride in your dreamtime that even you stated are not possible

Pretty sure the only thing I said wasn't possible was doing away with borders under the current system?

 

As for saying it's a dream well I'm just being honest and realistic, do you see a global Communist revolution happening anytime soon? Doesn't mean I won't be working my whole life towards making it closer to reality...

And when that revolution happens then fails killing tens of millions,the human excrement of 2 or 3 generations later will all whine in their feminine,lisping voices that BGD's form of communism wasn't REAL communism and people should try again,because THIS time it'll work

 

.

Because capitalism works so well what with needing to be bailed out of crisis after crisis by socialism

 

Communism turned the USSR from a feudal agricultural society to one of the industrial powers of the world in less than a generation, no capitalist nation has ever achieved economic growth to match it and that was with the whole world doing everything in its power to stop it succeeding

 

But of course communism is the fatally flawed system not capitalism

And the oligarchy got richer and the poor got poorer, communism might sound good in theory but in reality it is just another corrupt way to enslave and control the masses. Why you would fight for something that has caused so much suffering for so many is beyond me.

Literally all criticisms that apply to capitalism too, so why would you fight for capitalism?

 

Capitalism has caused and still causes far more suffering and inequality than Communism ever has...

I do not and will not ever fight for capitalism, I will fight for caring for each other and especially the environment and I hope one day everybody learns to care for each other and the world will be a happy place, I really believe it is that simple but greed and confusion keeps us in a state of fear and easily controlled by a sick and vile minority. How stupid we are! No wonder we are considered 'goyim'(human cattle)

 

 

But you're supporting it in this thread? You just said yourself you hope one day we all learn to care for eachother, sounds like atleast a version of Communism to me...

[Blackbriar 8,569]

That's probably unfair. I don't think Communists have any claim to a monopoly on happiness. Surely, that's all anyone is looking to establish ? Whether you want everyone to be a Communist, or a Fascist, or a Muslim even, surely you hope it will bring happiness to them and the world by following your example ?

[BGD 6,436]

A bit unfair maybe but Communism is the only (major) economic system that doesn't put profit before people so in that sense it's the only system under which everyone could care for eachother.

 

Remember, according to Capitalists society doesn't exist, it's all about stepping on eachother to try reach the crumbs from the elite's table.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

A bit unfair maybe but Communism is the only (major) economic system that doesn't put profit before people so in that sense it's the only system under which everyone could care for eachother.

 

Remember, according to Capitalists society doesn't exist, it's all about stepping on eachother to try reach the crumbs from the elite's table.

Not even the arch-capitalist Cameron's "Big Society" ?

The "Society doesn't exist" idea is just a Thatcher sound bite. I do agree that capitalism can never make people equal, inequality and injustice are in it's very nature, but can it never bring happiness (whatever that is, and how you measure it) ?

[BGD 6,436]

 

A bit unfair maybe but Communism is the only (major) economic system that doesn't put profit before people so in that sense it's the only system under which everyone could care for eachother.

 

Remember, according to Capitalists society doesn't exist, it's all about stepping on eachother to try reach the crumbs from the elite's table.

Not even the arch-capitalist Cameron's "Big Society" ?

The "Society doesn't exist" idea is just a Thatcher sound bite. I do agree that capitalism can never make people equal, inequality and injustice are in it's very nature, but can it never bring happiness (whatever that is, and how you measure it) ?

 

 

Whatever happened to the "Big Society" so much talk about it 5 years ago and nothing came of it.

Thatcher just vocalised the idea in a snappy soundbite, it's a pretty central pillar of Capitalism. I'd say Capitalism can indeed bring happiness but only for the lucky few though not for all.

[Francie 6,368]

Democracy, communism, capitalist, all bollocks, no matter what system, the lads at the top have; t all an we have nothing.

 

Your fooling yourself putting a label on your forehead, an trying to change something, when it doesn't mean shit, were all fecked, raise your family an dogs have a happy life, an keep your children informed, cause that's all you can do.

[BGD 6,436]

Democracy, communism, capitalist, all bollocks, no matter what system, the lads at the top have; t all an we have nothing.

 

Your fooling yourself putting a label on your forehead, an trying to change something, when it doesn't mean shit, were all fecked, raise your family an dogs have a happy life, an keep your children informed, cause that's all you can do.

 

Well there is no "lads at the top" under full Communism so how does that work?

 

I can't get my head round someone admitting that the current system is f****d but not being willing to try and find a better way of doing things so maybe their kids won't have to struggle to survive in a system stacked against them. So it might be hard and you might fail but surely anything is better than leaving the world in it's current state of rapidly failing Capitalism for our children and grandchildren to inherit.

Edited July 22, 2015 by BGD

[Blackbriar 8,569]

We're all in this together, remember ? This will chuck the cat in with the pigeons.....

 

Let's talk capitalist economics and deficit reduction - the current government's favourite topic.

 

Every previous government has run a deficit, for at least part of it's time in office - every single one. Thatcher ran the largest deficit this country has ever known, and no-one considered it an issue, not even the Iron Lady herself ! This profligacy continued into the debacle that was the Major government, and then along came Saint Tony of Blair.

 

Now everyone, pay attention, here's the interesting bit - for 7 years of the last Labour government, the British economy was run at a surplus ! The economic crisis, for which we are all being made to pay, was caused by a global banking collapse. The British economy was plunged suddenly into deficit, because of the vast amounts of money we had to borrow to bail out the banks. Cue economic depression and a change of government.....

 

Cameron spins a lie that the collapse was caused by government overspending and profligacy, Labour fails to counter the lie and lots of voters swallow it.

 

As a result, 300,000 of the poorest families (most of them working) are about to lose around £60 a week, the richest have had the taxes cut and the very fabric of society is under attack in too many ways to go into here.

 

 

 

All through history,

The story's been the same.

It's the rich that get the pleasure -

And the poor that get the blame !

Edited July 22, 2015 by Blackbriar

[Accip74 7,112]

We're all in this together, remember ? This will chuck the cat in with the pigeons.....

Let's talk capitalist economics and deficit reduction - the current government's favourite topic.

Every previous government has run a deficit, for at least part of it's time in office - every single one. Thatcher ran the largest deficit this country has ever known, and no-one considered it an issue, not even the Iron Lady herself ! This profligacy continued into the debacle that was the Major government, and then along came Saint Tony of Blair.

Now everyone, pay attention, here's the interesting bit - for 7 years of the last Labour government, the British economy was run at a surplus ! The economic crisis, for which we are all being made to pay, was caused by a global banking collapse. The British economy was plunged suddenly into deficit, because of the vast amounts of money we had to borrow to bail out the banks. Cue economic depression and a change of government.....

Cameron spins a lie that the collapse was caused by government overspending and profligacy, Labour fails to counter the lie and lots of voters swallow it.

As a result, 300,000 of the poorest families (most of them working) are about to lose around £60 a week, the richest have had the taxes cut and the very fabric of society is under attack in too many ways to go into here.

All through history,

The story's been the same.

It's the rich that get the pleasure -

And the poor that get the blame !

I agree with some of the facts mate & do I believe so many people are misguided, but everyone seems to forget the economic effects that shite in Iraq & Afghanistan that Tony Blair dragged us into to inflate his own fcuking ego has had as well & we are still paying for that in more ways than one......

[Born Hunter 17,798]

We're all in this together, remember ? This will chuck the cat in with the pigeons.....

 

Let's talk capitalist economics and deficit reduction - the current government's favourite topic.

 

Every previous government has run a deficit, for at least part of it's time in office - every single one. Thatcher ran the largest deficit this country has ever known, and no-one considered it an issue, not even the Iron Lady herself ! This profligacy continued into the debacle that was the Major government, and then along came Saint Tony of Blair.

 

Now everyone, pay attention, here's the interesting bit - for 7 years of the last Labour government, the British economy was run at a surplus ! The economic crisis, for which we are all being made to pay, was caused by a global banking collapse. The British economy was plunged suddenly into deficit, because of the vast amounts of money we had to borrow to bail out the banks. Cue economic depression and a change of government.....

 

Cameron spins a lie that the collapse was caused by government overspending and profligacy, Labour fails to counter the lie and lots of voters swallow it.

 

As a result, 300,000 of the poorest families (most of them working) are about to lose around £60 a week, the richest have had the taxes cut and the very fabric of society is under attack in too many ways to go into here.

 

 

 

All through history,

The story's been the same.

It's the rich that get the pleasure -

And the poor that get the blame !

 

Can we just clarify this fact. Was it not the first 7 years of the New Labour rule, following nearly 20 years of tory rule, that the country was running at a surplus? Does that not speak for itself? Governments care for their economy through legislation etc as a means of increasing the pot from which to feed off. These effects aren't instantaneous and so when a new government come to power the economy will take a finite time to change and so the new government will ride on their predecessors legacy, for a short while at least.

 

If we view the national deficit, we see relative consistency through years of tory power..... then labour get in and a shockwave hits the graph! Unfortunate timing or piss poor planning?

Edited July 22, 2015 by Born Hunter