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[ChrisJones 7,975]

Marxist = communist = europe

 

I think the EU is heading more towards being an oligarchy.

[Francie 6,368]

Meaning?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Meaning?

 

Ruled by the rich.

 

Look at how Greece is being treated...

[WILF 47,587]

 

Marxist = communist = europe

 

I think the EU is heading more towards being an oligarchy.

It's there mate....most of Europe is ;/

[Francie 6,368]

I agree lads,

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

 

 

 

Very female mentality that reply...........strange that, Pesky does it occasionally?

 

I'm saying plenty...........you don't know how to handle it, so do a non post..............your f***ing genius is astounding

You're saying plenty while misusing terms and generally having no idea what you're talking about

 

Like you seem to think internationalist is synonymous with pacifist

 

Honestly I haven't got the time or inclination to debate with someone that doesn't even have a basic grasp of the topic at hand so I choose to dismiss you like a child trying to butt into an adult conversation.

 

Now away and play with your toys.

How can anybody who's a true internationalist without being a pacifist? You stated you don't see any real major differences between different races, and international borders should be abolished.............lets look at that taken to an extreme, a multicultural world.......how the f**k would that work without pacifism It couldn't could it? You'd have the same society we have now, different groups siding with their own kind from other countries and undermining their host country, only it would be a thousand times worse.............wtf are you thinking?

 

 

"Honestly I haven't got the time or inclination to debate with someone that doesn't even have a basic grasp of the topic at hand so I choose to dismiss you like a child trying to butt into an adult conversation.

Now away and play with your toys."

 

Again that's a very female? You're not dismissing anybody sunshine............you're trying to sneak off without losing to much face

See once again you're demonstrating your complete lack of understanding about even the basic principles we're discussing.

 

No ones sneaking off, I can mock you all night I just won't be putting any effort into debating you. The idea of "losing face" on an anonymous internet forum is hilarious and frankly says an awful lot about you :laugh:

A bit to smart for your own good, now i know why it took two hours

 

You stated you think borders should be abolished, in other words people should be free to live wherever they choose, then chuck "globalist" in as being different to internationalist..........looks like you don't know wtf you are yourself........

 

Love the bit of psychology at the end

Globalism (no borders, shared laws etc) is a very separate thing to internationalism(international worker solidarity). Internationalism is more of a step on the road towards full globalisation in Marxist thought.

 

There you go I've had a smoke now and made two informative posts without a single insult, who said weed was bad for you eh?

 

Marxist = communist = europe

Then why do I, as a self confessed Marxist not support it? What's Marxist about the neoliberal shitshow that is the EU?

 

It's a neoliberal union set up to protect the interests of big business at best and a straight up oligarchy like Chris says at worst.

Edited July 20, 2015 by BGD

[ChrisJones 7,975]

It's there mate....most of Europe is ;/

 

I don't think Europe as a whole has reached that threshold. There are few that are holding out. Well on the way though...

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

BGD what would happen to Europe if there were free movement no borders and everyone who wanted from Africa Asia even south America as there is plenty of them already here decided as there's no borders we will just turn up in Europe ? would European countries continue as they are now? or get better? more prosperous. better workers rights, pay and conditions? or would the whole system collapse and be even worse for the countries the migrants flooded from with no foreign aid no medicine sans frontiers. red cross etc. no medical companies producing drugs that western countries pay for the 3rd world such as malaria AIDS vaccines charities that raise billions off normal hard working often people than haven't got much themselves from Europe etc. etc. etc. Now I know the system at present is far from perfect and there is a lot of suffering round the world but until something better comes along that other parts of the world don't need the west its the best we got now I know this is not really relevant to this thread but it seems like if you are against mass immigration and don't like the way the country, Europe is going then you are a thick racist knuckle dragger but I don't want my kids to grow up in a country that will resemble the former Yugoslavia and neither did my ancestors that fought to make this country one where everyone wants to come to but then completely change when they get here

[BGD 6,436]

Honestly staffs you're right and under the current system of massive inequality across the globe globalisation wouldn't work, you'd see a mass exodus from the 3rd world that makes the current crisis in Calais look like nothing.

 

Its a goal to work towards, obviously it would involve bringing the rest of the world up to an equal standard of living, that's where the internationalism and socialism come in a pipedream utopian vision? Maybe. But f**k it I'm a dreamer

[tatsblisters 10,271]

BGD what would happen to Europe if there were free movement no borders and everyone who wanted from Africa Asia even south America as there is plenty of them already here decided as there's no borders we will just turn up in Europe ? would European countries continue as they are now? or get better? more prosperous. better workers rights, pay and conditions? or would the whole system collapse and be even worse for the countries the migrants flooded from with no foreign aid no medicine sans frontiers. red cross etc. no medical companies producing drugs that western countries pay for the 3rd world such as malaria AIDS vaccines charities that raise billions off normal hard working often people than haven't got much themselves from Europe etc. etc. etc. Now I know the system at present is far from perfect and there is a lot of suffering round the world but until something better comes along that other parts of the world don't need the west its the best we got now I know this is not really relevant to this thread but it seems like if you are against mass immigration and don't like the way the country, Europe is going then you are a thick racist knuckle dragger but I don't want my kids to grow up in a country that will resemble the former Yugoslavia and neither did my ancestors that fought to make this country one where everyone wants to come to but then completely change when they get here

 

BGD what would happen to Europe if there were free movement no borders and everyone who wanted from Africa Asia even south America as there is plenty of them already here decided as there's no borders we will just turn up in Europe ? would European countries continue as they are now? or get better? more prosperous. better workers rights, pay and conditions? or would the whole system collapse and be even worse for the countries the migrants flooded from with no foreign aid no medicine sans frontiers. red cross etc. no medical companies producing drugs that western countries pay for the 3rd world such as malaria AIDS vaccines charities that raise billions off normal hard working often people than haven't got much themselves from Europe etc. etc. etc. Now I know the system at present is far from perfect and there is a lot of suffering round the world but until something better comes along that other parts of the world don't need the west its the best we got now I know this is not really relevant to this thread but it seems like if you are against mass immigration and don't like the way the country, Europe is going then you are a thick racist knuckle dragger but I don't want my kids to grow up in a country that will resemble the former Yugoslavia and neither did my ancestors that fought to make this country one where everyone wants to come to but then completely change when they get here

Complete fecking mayhem would happen and thank feck its only numptys from groups like the SWP who are a joke that think open borders are a good thing.

[WILF 47,587]

Honestly staffs you're right and under the current system of massive inequality across the globe globalisation wouldn't work, you'd see a mass exodus from the 3rd world that makes the current crisis in Calais look like nothing.

Its a goal to work towards, obviously it would involve bringing the rest of the world up to an equal standard of living, that's where the internationalism and socialism come in a pipedream utopian vision? Maybe. But f**k it I'm a dreamer

Do you mean wealth redistribution mate?......because if you do (and you may not) then I am afraid we part ways massively.

To me that just enslaves people more, the earning man is a slave to the taker and the poor man is a slave to the giver.....which is exactly what we are seeing in Europe now IMHO

[neems 2,406]

Internationalism is a guise,in reality it is by one means or another removing a peoples right to self determination.

 

Imagine flooding Japan with Africans,first the japs would lose their ability to operate in their own best interest,soon after we would lose the Japs along with their unique culture,how can any sane person support that?

 

Look to our media and schools,they convince (or try to) our youth to hate themselves.

 

Those most capable of spreading this indoctrination do not subject their own people to it,they aren't the pathetic,weak wretches you find openly spouting this nonsense.

Edited July 20, 2015 by neems

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

Honestly staffs you're right and under the current system of massive inequality across the globe globalisation wouldn't work, you'd see a mass exodus from the 3rd world that makes the current crisis in Calais look like nothing.

 

Its a goal to work towards, obviously it would involve bringing the rest of the world up to an equal standard of living, that's where the internationalism and socialism come in a pipedream utopian vision? Maybe. But f**k it I'm a dreamer

that is something most people would agree and if it wasn't for the massive levels of migration and I know all countries, societies whatever suffer from corruption but places like Africa, south America get there own house in order then think most people would actively support it but it cant all be give give give and please don't come up with anything to do with the f****n empire and ccolonialism lol

[BGD 6,436]

 

Honestly staffs you're right and under the current system of massive inequality across the globe globalisation wouldn't work, you'd see a mass exodus from the 3rd world that makes the current crisis in Calais look like nothing.

Its a goal to work towards, obviously it would involve bringing the rest of the world up to an equal standard of living, that's where the internationalism and socialism come in a pipedream utopian vision? Maybe. But f**k it I'm a dreamer

Do you mean wealth redistribution mate?......because if you do (and you may not) then I am afraid we part ways massively.

To me that just enslaves people more, the earning man is a slave to the taker and the poor man is a slave to the giver.....which is exactly what we are seeing in Europe now IMHO

Well we'd have to level the playing field to start off with if we wanted equality wouldn't we?

 

Ultimately though I'm not talking about long term wealth distribution but the worker owning the products of his labour and not just auctioning his labour off for a pittance so some fatcat can make huge profits off it.

 

Think full communism, everyone working the betterment of society as whole with no state or faceless financial institutions deciding who eats and who starves. Not wishy-washy "social democracy" which just uses wealth redistribution as a sticking plaster. Like I said sure its a pipedream that I'm unlikely to see in my lifetime if it ever happens but its nice to dream, eh?

 

I get the feeling we'll still massively disagree I get the impression you're more on the libertarian side of things?

Edited July 20, 2015 by BGD

[WILF 47,587]

And you'd be right ......well almost!!

I am in fact the world only living fascist liberal Christian libertarian communist !!

Edited July 20, 2015 by WILF