shaaark 10,729 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) This amendment as I understand it is for the benefit of game keepers, farmers, pest controllers, huntsman etc it will allow them to use as many hounds/dogs as necessary to flush to guns. There will still be a free vote on the repeal as promised when the time is right and if that goes in your favour the hunting act will be scrapped in its entirety, I think you're lucky to have a generally pro hunting party at the helm and it's certainly the best chance you have. yeh prob the best chance you will get, but think the votes will go against it at the time, joe public don't want it back and the mps wont upset the apple cart as they say. Argue, jaw, talk and discuss all you like, but ray has just hit the nail on the head! Legal hunting in general is NEVER coming back! Edited July 9, 2015 by shaaark Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,080 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Total bullshit there all gubshites 1 Quote Link to post
northern lad 2,292 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I also am just expressing my opinions and raising scenarios and questions that as yet are not answered. I support every kind of sporting activity the ones involving dogs are particular favourites of mine , the issue I am having a problem with is who decided to support the amendment on behalf of country activity participants without open and full consultation of all not just club or organisation members? The two political hot potatoes in relation to the ban were allways Fox Hunting and Hare Coursing,why do you think they chose the former to amend.....the latter would get very little support and the deal would be sealed DB give yourself some peace mate,accept coursing will never be legalised again,the best we can hope for is loopholes.The general public are repulsed by it,the landowners hate the associated problems,and most damning of all ,no sane politician would support its return,it would be career suicide To joe public fox hunting to protect fluffy lambs and chickens appeases their consciences to a degree,slipping dogs on a hare for sport doesn't ,its a no brainer.If the whole thing was repealed tomorrow Im 100% certain something else will be put in place to criminalise coursing. Sorry to piss on your chips mate,I hope Im wrong....but I can see how much this is eating you up ATB Dave By the way Im sure if they had chosen coursing as the subject for the amendment Im sure the mounted packs would be rallying round to give it their full support 1 Quote Link to post
dytkos 17,784 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I can see both sides of the argument, if they bring in the proprosal, hunts get less attention so more focus on every other aspect of dog work. By the same token, the existing "Hunting Law" has so many loopholes so the proposed one has gonna have so much scope for mitigation. I hope. Cheers, D. 1 Quote Link to post
northern lad 2,292 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I can see both sides of the argument, if they bring in the proprosal, hunts get less attention so more focus on every other aspect of dog work. By the same token, the existing "Hunting Law" has so many loopholes so the proposed one has gonna have so much scope for mitigation. I hope. Cheers, D. Will the hunt get less attention though Maybe the antis will be so pissed off they will "follow" the hunts with renewed vigour :icon_eek:Maybe Im just over tired and talking complete bollocks Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Another thing worth remembering about a repeal....it might not improve anything for the working dog man. Cameron can't just wave a magic wand and hey presto it's back to 2004. Those days are never coming back and competitive coursing will never come back, it will forever again be illegal. However, in the repeal process different things get voted on. So it means things might get worse for some,not better. That's why things cannot be rushed. There's a hell of alot of MP's against us, their minds won't be changed. Be under no illusion, Cameron wants it repealed, but that doesn't mean it will be. A free vote for a repeal at the moment would fail, that's why there isn't a free vote at the moment. The powers that be, are trying their best, but be aware that it's not easy. There's an old saying 'keep your powder dry'.... 4 Quote Link to post
nans pat 2,575 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 how come its legal in 1 part of the uk and not the rest,surely thats a loophole for equality laws, Quote Link to post
MickyB 327 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) It seems one good thing to come out of this is the amendment that will allow dogs to ground to protect livestock as well as birds for shooting, if this is the case, on that basis alone we'd be daft not to support it, I think we'll have to see what happens! Its a start and the repeal debate hopefully is yet to come. Edited July 10, 2015 by MickyB Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Do people realise its not a proper conviction. Ive never known a law like it. If ypu get done for trespase in pusuit then its on your record if convicted in court. Get crb its on there but its not the same with the hunting act law. Yes you go to court. Yes you could be fined. But it doesnt make you a criminal as such lol because even if found "GUILTY" it never goes on your actual record. Can get crb and it wont show. Mad as f#ck 1 Quote Link to post
Bo Duke 420 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 This amendment as I understand it is for the benefit of game keepers, farmers, pest controllers, huntsman etc it will allow them to use as many hounds/dogs as necessary to flush to guns. There will still be a free vote on the repeal as promised when the time is right and if that goes in your favour the hunting act will be scrapped in its entirety, I think you're lucky to have a generally pro hunting party at the helm and it's certainly the best chance you have. yeh prob the best chance you will get, but think the votes will go against it at the time, joe public don't want it back and the mps wont upset the apple cart as they say. It's not about ME mate, I'm in Scotland so It doesn't make any difference for me, I moved here specifically because of the different law, as it happens I love it here and I wouldn't move back even if the whole lot got repealed but I wish all my comrades south of the border the best of luck. 1 Quote Link to post
Fen fever 114 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Im in spain lads was here five min and the coursing was on the tv might move out here dogs sun beer and women galore lol Quote Link to post
spindolero 1,111 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Cameron's not stupid. My guess is that this move will take SNP out of the equation. Plus few borderline Tories may support. They must think they have a chance of this measure getting through Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Also about the act i dont think it states who has to own the bird of prey maybe you might be flushing to heavy populated areas of bird of prey sawing above Only have to prove you think your method is exempt from the act then comes under automatic statutory defence under the act. So cant be prosecuted. Hence j d saying if on perm and know about it can prity much do as please. Only found that out yesterday from a game keeper Quote Link to post
northern lad 2,292 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Another thing worth remembering about a repeal....it might not improve anything for the working dog man. Cameron can't just wave a magic wand and hey presto it's back to 2004. Those days are never coming back and competitive coursing will never come back, it will forever again be illegal. However, in the repeal process different things get voted on. So it means things might get worse for some,not better. That's why things cannot be rushed. There's a hell of alot of MP's against us, their minds won't be changed. Be under no illusion, Cameron wants it repealed, but that doesn't mean it will be. A free vote for a repeal at the moment would fail, that's why there isn't a free vote at the moment. The powers that be, are trying their best, but be aware that it's not easy. There's an old saying 'keep your powder dry'.... Assuming the proposed amendment is successful,and this is just the first step to something more substantial re repeal,what would you guess the next step would be JD? It was obvious the hunt would be served first,how can you see them getting a result of any sort for the likes of us Quote Link to post
Bo Duke 420 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 A free vote on a repeal when the time is right will be the next step Quote Link to post
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