dare 1,103 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Maybe I've been on a different wave length all these years BUT isn't breeding for colour and looks the main reason so many breeds have been ruined ?????? "When I start breeding for color I'll sure call them Staffordshires because that's all they will be in a couple of generations" Howard Heinz 1 Quote Link to post
YOKEL 2,234 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Maybe I've been on a different wave length all these years BUT isn't breeding for colour and looks the main reason so many breeds have been ruined ?????? exacly the point i was making a few posts back... Yokel Quote Link to post
Guest Navek Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Breeding for colour will surely be the ruination of any breed. Look what happens with the chocolate patterdale n the blue staffs 99% of blue staffs round my end suffer from bad skin round there eyes ears mouth and back end some of them are that bad they have hair loss over there full body .... Just ejits putting shite together for colour and coin Edited July 29, 2015 by Navek Quote Link to post
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 A few lines of APBT carry the merle gene, whether from crosses to Catahoula's or collie types in the early days of the breed. Breeders just cull them as a matter of course because it's a "fault" with the breed. I've even known so called working bulldog breeders cull merle pups at birth because they didn't want it getting out that their line carried merle... If delboy's mate wants to breed some pretty merle pets I say crack on, nothing wrong with breeding pet dogs for colour/looks, IMO No APBTs ever come merle , if they come that colour , they are not APBTs ,,,some mut has being added I've heard first hand from dogmen in America of the odd merle popping up in some litters never heard of one being allowed to grow on though. If it didn't pop up from time to time in APBT lines why would they bother to explicitly ban the colour in the standard? It pops up in some lines but it's undesirable because it shows a link to the general purpose farm bulldogs used as backcrosses in the early days of the breed. It doesn't make dogs expressing the merle gene any less pure though, just an out of standard colour. Of course this is all irrelevant because delboy himself said his mates dog is a crossbred bulldog type dog not pure APBT It only a modern thing ,,that colour has been added ,,no APBT can come that colour ,,,its banned because any dog that has it is not a pure bred APBT ,,, Banned from what?...the show ring? Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Maybe I've been on a different wave length all these years BUT isn't breeding for colour and looks the main reason so many breeds have been ruined ?????? "[/size]When I start breeding for color I'll sure call them Staffordshires because that's all they will be in a couple of generations" Howard Heinz[/size] He didn't mean the English Staff with that statement. Quote Link to post
dare 1,103 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 It has happened with staffords though to some degree. Sure there are good dogs out there but with the odds of a pitbull being greater more people moved onto those. Then when you think about how many own staffs and everyone thinks their dog is the besr your bound to have alot of shit out there. Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 It has happened with staffords though to some degree. Sure there are good dogs out there but with the odds of a pitbull being greater more people moved onto those. Then when you think about how many own staffs and everyone thinks their dog is the besr your bound to have alot of shit out there. The English Staff is further removed from the Pitdog than the American Staff. 1 Quote Link to post
Carlovian 592 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) A few lines of APBT carry the merle gene, whether from crosses to Catahoula's or collie types in the early days of the breed. Breeders just cull them as a matter of course because it's a "fault" with the breed. I've even known so called working bulldog breeders cull merle pups at birth because they didn't want it getting out that their line carried merle... If delboy's mate wants to breed some pretty merle pets I say crack on, nothing wrong with breeding pet dogs for colour/looks, IMO No APBTs ever come merle , if they come that colour , they are not APBTs ,,,some mut has being added I've heard first hand from dogmen in America of the odd merle popping up in some litters never heard of one being allowed to grow on though. If it didn't pop up from time to time in APBT lines why would they bother to explicitly ban the colour in the standard? It pops up in some lines but it's undesirable because it shows a link to the general purpose farm bulldogs used as backcrosses in the early days of the breed. It doesn't make dogs expressing the merle gene any less pure though, just an out of standard colour. Of course this is all irrelevant because delboy himself said his mates dog is a crossbred bulldog type dog not pure APBT It only a modern thing ,,that colour has been added ,,no APBT can come that colour ,,,its banned because any dog that has it is not a pure bred APBT ,,, APBTs have and contiue to come in merle though, and from tight old lines nothing "modern" about them. Been popping up in the odd litter since the 1900s... Show one....from 1900 ... Edited July 29, 2015 by Carlovian 1 Quote Link to post
delboy_187 902 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 that what I said mate A few lines of APBT carry the merle gene, whether from crosses to Catahoula's or collie types in the early days of the breed. Breeders just cull them as a matter of course because it's a "fault" with the breed. I've even known so called working bulldog breeders cull merle pups at birth because they didn't want it getting out that their line carried merle... If delboy's mate wants to breed some pretty merle pets I say crack on, nothing wrong with breeding pet dogs for colour/looks, IMO No APBTs ever come merle , if they come that colour , they are not APBTs ,,,some mut has being added I've heard first hand from dogmen in America of the odd merle popping up in some litters never heard of one being allowed to grow on though. If it didn't pop up from time to time in APBT lines why would they bother to explicitly ban the colour in the standard? It pops up in some lines but it's undesirable because it shows a link to the general purpose farm bulldogs used as backcrosses in the early days of the breed. It doesn't make dogs expressing the merle gene any less pure though, just an out of standard colour. Of course this is all irrelevant because delboy himself said his mates dog is a crossbred bulldog type dog not pure APBT It only a modern thing ,,that colour has been added ,,no APBT can come that colour ,,,its banned because any dog that has it is not a pure bred APBT ,,, Quote Link to post
Carlovian 592 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 A few lines of APBT carry the merle gene, whether from crosses to Catahoula's or collie types in the early days of the breed. Breeders just cull them as a matter of course because it's a "fault" with the breed. I've even known so called working bulldog breeders cull merle pups at birth because they didn't want it getting out that their line carried merle... If delboy's mate wants to breed some pretty merle pets I say crack on, nothing wrong with breeding pet dogs for colour/looks, IMO No APBTs ever come merle , if they come that colour , they are not APBTs ,,,some mut has being added I've heard first hand from dogmen in America of the odd merle popping up in some litters never heard of one being allowed to grow on though. If it didn't pop up from time to time in APBT lines why would they bother to explicitly ban the colour in the standard? It pops up in some lines but it's undesirable because it shows a link to the general purpose farm bulldogs used as backcrosses in the early days of the breed. It doesn't make dogs expressing the merle gene any less pure though, just an out of standard colour. Of course this is all irrelevant because delboy himself said his mates dog is a crossbred bulldog type dog not pure APBT It only a modern thing ,,that colour has been added ,,no APBT can come that colour ,,,its banned because any dog that has it is not a pure bred APBT ,,, Banned from what?...the show ring? Banned from being registered... Quote Link to post
delboy_187 902 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Maybe I've been on a different wave length all these years BUT isn't breeding for colour and looks the main reason so many breeds have been ruined ??????that maybe so but isn't it the colour an looks that atract majority of dog owners to the dog firstly when choosing a pup Edited July 30, 2015 by delboy_187 Quote Link to post
delboy_187 902 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Not every one owns lurcher or wants a worker or a dog with a name people do like pets. 1 Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Pet or worker you pick a pup on temperament and character. 2 Quote Link to post
howsshefrom 32 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Not every one owns lurcher or wants a worker or a dog with a name people do like pets. this is a working dog forum 1 Quote Link to post
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