Free Pups

[morton 5,368]

Ive had the docking thing covered for a good while now,breed only Beddy hybrids or buy pups from Eire,chipping,yeah right.

[Wirey 23]

Seems like your using the old grey matter Morton

[J Darcy 5,871]

People need to see the bigger picture. IMO it won't be long after the dog chipping law comes into effect that they will seize unchipped dogs. And any terrier or working dog that is unchipped will be seized as they will say that they believe it will be used for illegal activities. Buying dogs outside Uk doesn't matter one jot, as of next year it will be illegal to have un chipped dogs. This will be used against us.

And as for docking yourself, if you get a visit and there is no paper trail for docked pups, you're getting a lifetime dog ban. No ifs or buts. My advice to all working dog men is to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

[morton 5,368]

Seems like your using the old grey matter Morton

You could have just said "grey matter".

[morton 5,368]

People need to see the bigger picture. IMO it won't be long after the dog chipping law comes into effect that they will seize unchipped dogs. And any terrier or working dog that is unchipped will be seized as they will say that they believe it will be used for illegal activities. Buying dogs outside Uk doesn't matter one jot, as of next year it will be illegal to have un chipped dogs. This will be used against us.

And as for docking yourself, if you get a visit and there is no paper trail for docked pups, you're getting a lifetime dog ban. No ifs or buts. My advice to all working dog men is to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Thats why the majority plan accordingly and act with a little savvy,no matter the law there will always be the grey area to work to,buying dogs outside of the UK,especially Eire circumnavigates the docking side of the argument,for now.The bigger picture is "THEY" wish to erode our hunting lifestyles and activities,if we allow them to then they will tread roughshod over the less resolute amongst us,lifetime bans are as much use as the rest of the ill thought out legislation,im banned from keeping a working mutt yet my wife,son,daughter,nephew or niece is not,how do i get around it then?.Its better at these Political times to point out the way to do,not the way to be done to.The majority of lads have never felt the restrictions of the Hunting Ban,the ones who have would have felt it under the old laws.As the Police come under more and more pressure to control their expenditure then the enforcement of the Ban becomes far less effective and futile,just keep at it and use the nous,take yer chance or give in,ive given in sweety.

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

People need to see the bigger picture. IMO it won't be long after the dog chipping law comes into effect that they will seize unchipped dogs. And any terrier or working dog that is unchipped will be seized as they will say that they believe it will be used for illegal activities. Buying dogs outside Uk doesn't matter one jot, as of next year it will be illegal to have un chipped dogs. This will be used against us.

And as for docking yourself, if you get a visit and there is no paper trail for docked pups, you're getting a lifetime dog ban. No ifs or buts. My advice to all working dog men is to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Thats why the majority plan accordingly and act with a little savvy,no matter the law there will always be the grey area to work to,buying dogs outside of the UK,especially Eire circumnavigates the docking side of the argument,for now.The bigger picture is "THEY" wish to erode our hunting lifestyles and activities,if we allow them to then they will tread roughshod over the less resolute amongst us,lifetime bans are as much use as the rest of the ill thought out legislation,im banned from keeping a working mutt yet my wife,son,daughter,nephew or niece is not,how do i get around it then?.Its better at these Political times to point out the way to do,not the way to be done to.The majority of lads have never felt the restrictions of the Hunting Ban,the ones who have would have felt it under the old laws.As the Police come under more and more pressure to control their expenditure then the enforcement of the Ban becomes far less effective and futile,just keep at it and use the nous,take yer chance or give in,ive given in sweety.

 

ALL dogs over 8 weeks of age will need to be chipped. There isn't going to be a grey area, The £500 for starters is just that , starters. I don't know what the penalty will end up as, but I'm positive it will be raised. A lot. AND I am quite certain that in the end the RSPCA will be allowed to 'police' this. That way they can take peoples dogs as much as they like!

If you get a lifetime ban I believe that there can not be another dog in the house that you are living in.

[morton 5,368]

 

 

People need to see the bigger picture. IMO it won't be long after the dog chipping law comes into effect that they will seize unchipped dogs. And any terrier or working dog that is unchipped will be seized as they will say that they believe it will be used for illegal activities. Buying dogs outside Uk doesn't matter one jot, as of next year it will be illegal to have un chipped dogs. This will be used against us.

And as for docking yourself, if you get a visit and there is no paper trail for docked pups, you're getting a lifetime dog ban. No ifs or buts. My advice to all working dog men is to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Thats why the majority plan accordingly and act with a little savvy,no matter the law there will always be the grey area to work to,buying dogs outside of the UK,especially Eire circumnavigates the docking side of the argument,for now.The bigger picture is "THEY" wish to erode our hunting lifestyles and activities,if we allow them to then they will tread roughshod over the less resolute amongst us,lifetime bans are as much use as the rest of the ill thought out legislation,im banned from keeping a working mutt yet my wife,son,daughter,nephew or niece is not,how do i get around it then?.Its better at these Political times to point out the way to do,not the way to be done to.The majority of lads have never felt the restrictions of the Hunting Ban,the ones who have would have felt it under the old laws.As the Police come under more and more pressure to control their expenditure then the enforcement of the Ban becomes far less effective and futile,just keep at it and use the nous,take yer chance or give in,ive given in sweety.

 

ALL dogs over 8 weeks of age will need to be chipped. There isn't going to be a grey area, The £500 for starters is just that , starters. I don't know what the penalty will end up as, but I'm positive it will be raised. A lot. AND I am quite certain that in the end the RSPCA will be allowed to 'police' this. That way they can take peoples dogs as much as they like!

If you get a lifetime ban I believe that there can not be another dog in the house that you are living in.

 

Don,t be so naive,there will always be the grey area that some will thrive in,if ive just bought a dog,with a receipt of purchase,is it my fault the previous owner failed to have it chipped.I know of local lads with lifetime bans that reside in houses that are allowed dogs.The facts are that some will wilt whilst others prosper,the resolute will never wilt and the rest who gives a toss.Its a case of choice,we choose and take our chances or give in to the Man.Ive given in,yet could still find 2 reasons for the Mans 1 to keep at it.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

I know one thing ,id rather jack it all than give in to beurocracy.Darcy so all your dogs will be chipped then mate ,dont think so .Tell the world one thing and do another ,not my style .Just keep going as we have and things will tick along nicely.

ps a ban is for an individual and not a household ,ask Reesey.

[fireman 10,898]

 

 

I know a vet who will travel to you £10 per pup & he'll ask for a bit of fuel back like

I know it's all red tape but on the paperwork the same vet that does the docking is meant to do the chipping too and has to identify the pups as such so it would mean 2 trips.

I did mention to the vet about taking them for free chipping elsewhere but she was still going to charge me £5 per signature per pup for the paperwork.

Feel the free chipping is going out the window when it becomes law too.

the pups are microchipped the same time as they are docked so no need to do trips. Just had a litter done docked,chipped an dueclaued £50 per pup. Make sure if any of you have any done show the vet yourself how long you want it to be because they could end up looking like corgis.

 

If your vet thinks it's ok to chip a 2-3 day old pup then i think you need a new vet ffs ,you have 6 months to chip the puppy after docking and anyone can chip it not just the docking vet,it says no where the same vet has to be used.

[J Darcy 5,871]

I know one thing ,id rather jack it all than give in to beurocracy.Darcy so all your dogs will be chipped then mate ,dont think so .Tell the world one thing and do another ,not my style .Just keep going as we have and things will tick along nicely.

ps a ban is for an individual and not a household ,ask Reesey.

They're all chipped mate. Except the lurcher pup and he'll be chipped soon. Everyone I give pups to get a legally docked, chipped pup, and that's been for quite a few years now. For myself it's not worth the risk to be honest.But that's just me; we're all different.

[TOPPER 1,809]

all mine are chipped and docked except the bedlingtons as all mine have pet passports as we go far and wide with our sport and if its smashed up well it happened in france lol theres more than one way of skinning a cat just play them at there own game , a neighbour of mine used to give me grief phoning the council and rspca so I started having weekly vet checks and gave her the bill she laughed and said iam not paying that so I let it mount up gave her a statement and 7 days to pay in full she didn t so I took her to county court where I produced the stat declaration and cctv evidence of rspca staff going to her house etc I won and she had to pay me I refused part payments and said id take a charge on her house funny how quick she paid then and she s not so quick to pick the phone up now in case she gets the bill, atb top

[Corkman 944]

all mine are chipped and docked except the bedlingtons as all mine have pet passports as we go far and wide with our sport and if its smashed up well it happened in france lol theres more than one way of skinning a cat just play them at there own game , a neighbour of mine used to give me grief phoning the council and rspca so I started having weekly vet checks and gave her the bill she laughed and said iam not paying that so I let it mount up gave her a statement and 7 days to pay in full she didn t so I took her to county court where I produced the stat declaration and cctv evidence of rspca staff going to her house etc I won and she had to pay me I refused part payments and said id take a charge on her house funny how quick she paid then and she s not so quick to pick the phone up now in case she gets the bill, atb top

 

Topper.... if you really did take the women to court and I have no reason not to believe you, but as you know many porkies are told on this forum, then well done to you. That is thinking outside the box.

 

As for chipping which I would not be a fan of then I suggest others read the actual law. The onus is on the onwer of the dog not the seller to chip unless the pup came from a Puppy Farm. So I am not sure a receipt of payment will help much in reality if people come knocking. It is a sad world we live in nowadays where dogs have taken on anthropomorphic rights equal to humans and above all other animals. I care for my workers but matters are getting out of hand. A lot of these laws are stemming from the UK and being pushed across the rest of Europe sheepishly and slowly by groups with a deluded mindset. No sooner had the UK government annouced 100% chipping for dogs and within a week the Irish government followed suit. Manditory chipping for all dogs by March 2016. Pups are given up to 4 months to allow the pups to be rared properly and allow the new owner chip the pup....... The do-gooders in Dogs trust are assisting with such matters by providing free chipping for people..... Some muppets in hound packs up north availed of this kind service? Some crack eh..............

[TOPPER 1,809]

corky its against the law to harass and slagg off people without any evidence just turn the tables on them make them pay they won t bother you again atb top

[wilbur foxhound 480]

here is an email sent to me from the kennel club,it say puppies in England must be microchiped at 8 weeks of age from april 2016,it doesn't say anything about adult dogs or any dog born 8 weeks before april or any other country in the british isles other than England, wf

[Keepbordersworking 103]

When are they going to start micro chipping cats they go missing all the time lol.