Calais "migrant" Crisis.

[WILF 46,546]

Ever had one of those letters through the door from the local council saying:

"Would you rather have a new Tesco built in your front garden or in the farmers fields down the road with a new park for the kiddies?"

 

Well actually, I dont want the f***ing thing built at all but there's no option for that and I bet my bollocks to a barn dance that's exactly how any referendum on Europe will get worded

[BGD 6,431]

Ever had one of those letters through the door from the local council saying:

"Would you rather have a new Tesco built in your front garden or in the farmers fields down the road with a new park for the kiddies?"

 

Well actually, I dont want the f***ing thing built at all but there's no option for that and I bet my bollocks to a barn dance that's exactly how any referendum on Europe will get worded

 

We already know how the referendum will be worded, don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory though

[WILF 46,546]

I don't know how it will be worded?.....maybe you are privy to it ?

 

Anyway, when it comes to "Facts" that we are given.......well, tend to think we only get given the "Facts" that they want to give us.

Maybe I am paranoid or your nieve?.....I wonder which it is ?

Edited June 25, 2015 by WILF

[BGD 6,431]

I don't know how it will be worded?.....maybe you are privy to it ?

 

Anyway, when it comes to "Facts" that we are given.......well, tend to think we only get given the "Facts" that they want to give us.

Maybe I am paranoid or your nieve?.....I wonder which it is ?

 

The wording is a matter of law, it was in the European Union Referendum Bill. Maybe if you care so much about this issue you should pay attention to the Bills passage through parliament, try and keep yourself informed atleast?

 

(“Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union?” is how the question will be phrased by the way, you clearly struggle with basic research so thought I'd help you out )

Edited June 26, 2015 by BGD

[WILF 46,546]

After a renegotiation......of what?.....on what matters?

A better deal for Britain......what's that then ?

 

What's considered a better deal.....do we even know what matters they will be trying to get this better deal on?

 

Maybe you know because I bloody don't !!

 

Your bang on, I'm not informed......cause I don't know any of the above things?

 

I don't follow any of this shit in parliament.....know why?........cause I looked around me in England and at the news media and I lost total faith.

Every time it's the same "if we cut here or throw a bit more money at the job there it will be OK"

 

Well it's not OK, it's very f***ing far from OK !!

[WILF 46,546]

 

I don't know how it will be worded?.....maybe you are privy to it ?

Anyway, when it comes to "Facts" that we are given.......well, tend to think we only get given the "Facts" that they want to give us.

Maybe I am paranoid or your nieve?.....I wonder which it is ?

 

The wording is a matter of law, it was in the European Union Referendum Bill. Maybe if you care so much about this issue you should pay attention to the Bills passage through parliament, try and keep yourself informed atleast?

 

(Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union? is how the question will be phrased by the way, you clearly struggle with basic research so thought I'd help you out )

Thank you very much, that's very helpful.......I left school at 14 so I am a little slow on the uptake

 

I shall await the "facts" lol lol

 

A thick c**t like me would take a guess it will go something along the lines of:

 

"It's a straight in or out question.......but if you vote out your world will end, however, we have renegotiated and if if you vote in it will be better than before and your world won't end......these are the facts !" Lol lol

Edited June 26, 2015 by WILF

[BGD 6,431]

 

 

I don't know how it will be worded?.....maybe you are privy to it ?

Anyway, when it comes to "Facts" that we are given.......well, tend to think we only get given the "Facts" that they want to give us.

Maybe I am paranoid or your nieve?.....I wonder which it is ?

The wording is a matter of law, it was in the European Union Referendum Bill. Maybe if you care so much about this issue you should pay attention to the Bills passage through parliament, try and keep yourself informed atleast?

 

(Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union? is how the question will be phrased by the way, you clearly struggle with basic research so thought I'd help you out )

Thank you very much, that's very helpful.......I left school at 14 so I am a little slow on the uptake

 

I shall await the "facts" lol lol

 

A thick c**t like me would take a guess it will go something along the lines of:

 

"It's a straight in or out question.......but if you vote out your world will end, however, we have renegotiated and if if you vote in it will be better than before and your world won't end......these are the facts !" Lol lol

 

 

That's a year more schooling than I had so no excuse

 

Obviously there'll be a strong campaign to stay in from TPTB, that's different to wording the referendum in such a way that you don't really have a choice though which is what you implied in your first post.

[WILF 46,546]

I agree, that's is very different to what I implied.

 

I am sure you will agree though that "the wording" will be in the propaganda and not on the ballot paper......that's the reality I think.

Remember those immortal words "cast iron guarantee".......remember when naughty little Ireland voted "no"

 

Yep, it will be a free vote alright

[BGD 6,431]

I agree, that's is very different to what I implied.

 

I am sure you will agree though that "the wording" will be in the propaganda and not on the ballot paper......that's the reality I think.

Remember those immortal words "cast iron guarantee".......remember when naughty little Ireland voted "no"

 

Yep, it will be a free vote alright

 

Can't disagree with that

 

Going to be really interesting to see all the papers that have been banging the anti-EU drum suddenly about face when their masters tell them to start campaigning to stay in. No matter what the results of the "renegotiation" we'll be told that everything is fine now and we should stay in.

Edited June 26, 2015 by BGD

[Francie 6,368]

Lads if we vote to leave, that means every ex pat in Europe will have to leave an come back, an similar with the people here will have to go back to Europe, no ones going to vote that, especially if mushy an his rollerbooting dog have to come back lol

[Blackbriar 8,569]

Smoke and mirrors, yet again !

Cameron won't tell us what exactly he's trying to achieve. He just trots out the old 'renegotiating in Britain's interests', but what does that actually mean ? How, for instance, is he proposing to control our borders, while remaining a member of the EU, with it's open border policy ? What does he see as the end result of his 'renegotiations' ?

 

The reasons for the vagueness and ambiguity is obvious........if he lets on what he hopes to achieve, we will be able to judge whether he has succeeded or not. It also gives him the 'wriggle room' to trumpet any minor concession as a major victory. Remember that Cameron is pro-European, and all his speeches and press releases will be couched in those terms.

 

All he's got to do is persuade every other EU member to reword each law and treaty, to read "except Great Britain" at the end. The laws and treaties that we've already signed up to !

 

You can't join a rugby club, then insist that all the members play football !

[tsteve9999 456]

Lads if we vote to leave, that means every ex pat in Europe will have to leave an come back, an similar with the people here will have to go back to Europe, no ones going to vote that, especially if mushy an his rollerbooting dog have to come back lol

Why should that happen? No one is saying send everyone home, just that the country is full and there should be no more migrants allowed in.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

A points-based immigration system is surely the only sensible way forward....

 

In simple terms, a job to come to, or the finances to support yourself, or 'no thanks, cheerio' ! (Working in cousin Abdul's kebab shop doesn't count !).

 

Some other simple measures we should consider..........

 

We should deport all illegals without exception - no more retrospective asylum claims. One fair hearing, no appeals. No ECHR !

 

Anyone deported should lose all future rights to apply to come here.

 

Anyone applying legally, but refused entry, should be barred from re-applying for 5 years.

 

All foreign criminals to be deported on their release - no exceptions.

[Francie 6,368]

That's one of the main attributes of the EU, so I'm told, the open border, if Cameron says were closing the border were out, that means the above comes into play.

 

Tbh IMO, all this circus about British elections, Cameron calling for referendum, Europe playing ball, oh no Britain don't leave, its all a plan thought up ages ago, there all play fighting, its all lies there all in it together, to keep us working an arguing amongst themselves, keeping them at the top an us at the bottom.

[mushroom 12,827]

Lads if we vote to leave, that means every ex pat in Europe will have to leave an come back, an similar with the people here will have to go back to Europe, no ones going to vote that, especially if mushy an his rollerbooting dog have to come back lol

As usual you don't have a fuuckin clue

 

I have a permanent social security number which means I have residency and can stay as long as I f****n want love. I put in to the Spanish economy quite a lot, do you really think they are asking me and the other thousands of Brit expats paying their money into the system to stop, pack up and leave??

 

Clown!