keepdiggin 9,561 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. my mums westy would attack anyone who got into the garden and the postman,no-one could stop her. imagine a 10 year old lad kicked a ball over the fence and climbed over,not a huge problem he might get a nip but he'll walk away fine. now replace the word westy with boerboel,an entirely different situation isn't it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,561 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. my mums westy would attack anyone who got into the garden and the postman,no-one could stop her. imagine a 10 year old lad kicked a ball over the fence and climbed over,not a huge problem he might get a nip but he'll walk away fine. now replace the word westy with boerboel,an entirely different situation isn't it? So what you saying ban all large guardian breeds? Why stop there, may as well ban all terriers after what happened in Sunderland yesterday. Didn't you use to have a guard dog? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. my mums westy would attack anyone who got into the garden and the postman,no-one could stop her. imagine a 10 year old lad kicked a ball over the fence and climbed over,not a huge problem he might get a nip but he'll walk away fine. now replace the word westy with boerboel,an entirely different situation isn't it? So what you saying ban all large guardian breeds? Why stop there, may as well ban all terriers after what happened in Sunderland yesterday. Didn't you use to have a guard dog? I think what neems is saying is owners of powerful guardian breeds should be aware of what they have on the end of the lead and have it professionally trained so they're in 100% control of the dog. Can't say I disagree with that, it's common sense Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,970 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. yeh like you say, that baby was killed by little pet terrier , and being honest a little jack would bloody hurt if it bit you . my son got little jack woody, and bloody hell be got strong jaw on him, when you take him a walk he lock on to his lead, and wont loose the bloody prat .lol now this is just a little jack, never mind what a big gsd or presa could do to you . as said my big dog Buck daft as brush , but thank god because if little woody can bite like that , god knows what Buck could do if he bitten you . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. my mums westy would attack anyone who got into the garden and the postman,no-one could stop her. imagine a 10 year old lad kicked a ball over the fence and climbed over,not a huge problem he might get a nip but he'll walk away fine. now replace the word westy with boerboel,an entirely different situation isn't it? So what you saying ban all large guardian breeds? Why stop there, may as well ban all terriers after what happened in Sunderland yesterday. Didn't you use to have a guard dog? no....where did you get that from? they should all be trained to a very high standard as well as being very responsibly owned. if you can't control it,it's a liability and the owner has no business having that type of dog. bull breeds attract irresponsible,thick c@nts unfortunately,which is why they have the reputation they do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,561 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. my mums westy would attack anyone who got into the garden and the postman,no-one could stop her. imagine a 10 year old lad kicked a ball over the fence and climbed over,not a huge problem he might get a nip but he'll walk away fine. now replace the word westy with boerboel,an entirely different situation isn't it? So what you saying ban all large guardian breeds? Why stop there, may as well ban all terriers after what happened in Sunderland yesterday. Didn't you use to have a guard dog? I think what neems is saying is owners of powerful guardian breeds should be aware of what they have on the end of the lead and have it professionally trained so they're in 100% control of the dog. Can't say I disagree with that, it's common sense Maybe so but if you cant train a dog yourself (no matter the breed) should you own a dog at all? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,561 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. my mums westy would attack anyone who got into the garden and the postman,no-one could stop her. imagine a 10 year old lad kicked a ball over the fence and climbed over,not a huge problem he might get a nip but he'll walk away fine. now replace the word westy with boerboel,an entirely different situation isn't it? So what you saying ban all large guardian breeds? Why stop there, may as well ban all terriers after what happened in Sunderland yesterday. Didn't you use to have a guard dog? no....where did you get that from? they should all be trained to a very high standard as well as being very responsibly owned. if you can't control it,it's a liability and the owner has no business having that type of dog. bull breeds attract irresponsible,thick c@nts unfortunately,which is why they have the reputation they do. sorry I got you confused with somebody who posted on the bullies site a few years ago. I agree with what you say but if you cant train your own who have no right in owning any dog let alone a big powerful dog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,425 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I imagine guard dog breeds are the same as most other breeds in that the percentage of people that actually NEED them as opposed to just want them is extremely low......how many times do you see a big foaming at the mouth dog being taken into a pokey little terraced house where the most valuable item in it is probably the dog !! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,561 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Maybe so... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dogmad riley 1,347 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Bear boel are good dogs but again wasted in a yard they are working dogs. Guard dogs are working dogs BUT not for a small yard guard dogs need constant work not chained up in a yard barking at anyone who comes near trying to scare anyone. A dog will only keep minors away a friend of mine his Shepard got a lump hammer through its head and everything taken. really? its basically a bandog bred for the chain don't believe the hype about them killing lions and elephants. I don't think I would believe any story of a dog killing a lion or elephant without proof. I once read that boels were used by the white man for keeping the black man away don't know how ture that is. I don't think any dog would be happy sitting on a chain constantly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,561 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Bear boel are good dogs but again wasted in a yard they are working dogs. Guard dogs are working dogs BUT not for a small yard guard dogs need constant work not chained up in a yard barking at anyone who comes near trying to scare anyone. A dog will only keep minors away a friend of mine his Shepard got a lump hammer through its head and everything taken. really? its basically a bandog bred for the chain don't believe the hype about them killing lions and elephants. I don't think I would believe any story of a dog killing a lion or elephant without proof. I once read that boels were used by the white man for keeping the black man away don't know how ture that is. I don't think any dog would be happy sitting on a chain constantly Yeah I agree to some extent mate, but if its all the dog knows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 202 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I imagine guard dog breeds are the same as most other breeds in that the percentage of people that actually NEED them as opposed to just want them is extremely low......how many times do you see a big foaming at the mouth dog being taken into a pokey little terraced house where the most valuable item in it is probably the dog !!Good point Gnasher, but how about this scenario, my son has for long enough for me to recognise it's not just a passing fad wanted to do dog training work ; including the agility, protection and all other things that go with schutzhund sport, although I admit there probably are,not many youngsters into this I personally think it's great, he,ll still have his football which he is mad about , 'tweak won do or however you spell it and other sports he likes and I,m hoping this is something else that will keep him focused ( and me ) Opinions ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. my mums westy would attack anyone who got into the garden and the postman,no-one could stop her. imagine a 10 year old lad kicked a ball over the fence and climbed over,not a huge problem he might get a nip but he'll walk away fine. now replace the word westy with boerboel,an entirely different situation isn't it? So what you saying ban all large guardian breeds? Why stop there, may as well ban all terriers after what happened in Sunderland yesterday. Didn't you use to have a guard dog? no....where did you get that from? they should all be trained to a very high standard as well as being very responsibly owned. if you can't control it,it's a liability and the owner has no business having that type of dog. bull breeds attract irresponsible,thick c@nts unfortunately,which is why they have the reputation they do. sorry I got you confused with somebody who posted on the bullies site a few years ago. I agree with what you say but if you cant train your own who have no right in owning any dog let alone a big powerful dog. I did and have had a few shepherds,i meant i dont think guard breeds should be banned. imo the vast majority of people couldn't train a dog to have a high level of obedience,keep a stable temp and bite and out on command.. say you're walking your dog at the park,hes off having a piss in the bushes,some smackhead asks for change and shouts at\squares up to you when you say no,sees the dog and runs off. the dog runs for him,you shout down,would your dog down reliably? it's very hard work with some dogs to get even to that level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,561 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 they dont have the same guarding instinct,drive or power. accidents can happen but owning a liability is something else. I agree any breed can be a liability part of the joys of owning a dog. my mums westy would attack anyone who got into the garden and the postman,no-one could stop her. imagine a 10 year old lad kicked a ball over the fence and climbed over,not a huge problem he might get a nip but he'll walk away fine. now replace the word westy with boerboel,an entirely different situation isn't it? So what you saying ban all large guardian breeds? Why stop there, may as well ban all terriers after what happened in Sunderland yesterday. Didn't you use to have a guard dog? no....where did you get that from? they should all be trained to a very high standard as well as being very responsibly owned. if you can't control it,it's a liability and the owner has no business having that type of dog. bull breeds attract irresponsible,thick c@nts unfortunately,which is why they have the reputation they do. sorry I got you confused with somebody who posted on the bullies site a few years ago. I agree with what you say but if you cant train your own who have no right in owning any dog let alone a big powerful dog. I did and have had a few shepherds,i meant i dont think guard breeds should be banned. imo the vast majority of people couldn't train a dog to have a high level of obedience,keep a stable temp and bite and out on command.. say you're walking your dog at the park,hes off having a piss in the bushes,some smackhead asks for change and shouts at\squares up to you when you say no,sees the dog and runs off. the dog runs for him,you shout down,would your dog down reliably? it's very hard work with some dogs to get even to that level. yes he would as I took the time to train him. I think its easier to train a breed a Rottweiler then it is to train a terrier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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