Permethrin Dust

[pestie100 5]

You should never dust sockets etc with anything other than D E!!!!, what happens if a sparky comes along and has to work on the sockets and they are full of insecticide? same under carpets unless you can hoover it all up after completion of treatment.Just something to think about in my opinion.Brian

Brian, are you saying we should all be hoovering up ficam w etc from roof voids after every wasp nest treatment in case a roofer has to work there at some point ?

Or remove all dust from voids such as behind bath panels and under skirtings / carpets in case a plumber or carpenter has to work there ?

Diatomaceous earth is so so for long term control but when you've got a mingling bed-bug infestation it's pretty useless.

In my opinion.

[myersbg 1,385]

Pestie 100, i know ficam [bendiocarbe] and permethrin will outshine DE any day of the week on any problem, but to leave a socket full of insecticide is a bit thoughtless as any body working on it will not be able to avoid it, carpets can be changed every few years and during the work the dust will be everywhere.

Most of the dust in roof voids, under slates and tiles etc has usually dissipated after a few weeks, i am not saying don't use it, just be careful with the materials that we use, you only have to have a look at what we have lost in the last month,we cant afford to keep losing the tools of our trade through negligence.

 

As professionals we have to be seen to be doing the job correctly.

 

Brian

[unclepesta 101]

permethrin will upset the wasps on contact for defo,permetrin will cause insecticide avoidance in some cases because its a repellent so return calls in some cases to retreat or reports of problems getting worst after treatment.

 

breathing permethrin is more dangerous than dermal contact in my understanding,although tingling occurs like bendiocarb i would prefer to have permethrin on skin if either of them because permethrin has lower skin absorption,

but i would really concentrate on suitable ppe and take the extra precaution rather than trying to find the lesser of two evils

 

ppe can be savage in the heat for some pesters but try and keep it in perspective we are dealing with chemicals designed to kill. i know the heat in ppe can be overwhelming in some cases and i think long wasp jobs in the sun can be as bad as loft work on a pigeon poo clearance,so i can see both sides of the ppe argument. but its best to be taking extra precautions and time rather than getting regular intakes of dust and spray. i rarely wear bee suits or nets but other ppe i do wear.

 

i know the commercial demands of calls per day and most jobs are done quite quickly by most techs,but that extra time on ppe and reducing risks is time well spent imo. the client also will notice your attitude towards safety, also dont worry about looking like a alien in front of the staff they are only jealous of your bravery and bored with there mundane jobs and wish secretly to be doing what your doing

 

keep it safe and take a moment to get it right first time on applications it saves mess and insecticide.. if your worried about getting stung or falling or getting drift from powder then your not worrying about doing the job and you will rush.

 

good 'comfortable' ppe can relieve a lot of stress and risk and give you the confidence needed to face most things.

[unclepesta 101]

I've noticed pyrethrins tend to agitate the target... I've used aerosols as a flushing agent too. Very handy against bed bugs when you're not sure whether you're getting them all.

 

Pissing off wasps was part of the job... If they're covered in white they won't last a shite!

 

Suit up and carry plenty of water with you. I've had a few mild stings through my suit and it's not good when I've been digging nests out of the ground.

why are you digging nests out of the ground?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

why are you digging nests out of the ground?

 

Because powders and dusts didn't work on wet ground. It was either raining during the treatment, or before and after. This was on a railway embankment where the electricians needed to go back to work ASAP. The whole line was shut down. No nest, no call backs.

 

I always try to remove them, where possible at least.

[unclepesta 101]

 

why are you digging nests out of the ground?

 

Because powders and dusts didn't work on wet ground. It was either raining during the treatment, or before and after. This was on a railway embankment where the electricians needed to go back to work ASAP. The whole line was shut down. No nest, no call backs.

 

I always try to remove them, where possible at least.

 

well im new to that one i bet they go fookin mad when you dig em.. fookin workers getting stung 50 yards out n sh*t.

that must be hot work good on ya though must be fun to do. i sat and watched a badger diggin one big nest out of a bank and they went crazy,i loved watching it but fook that..to dramatic for me.

 

how do you stop the swarming? and how do you deal with the stragglers flying around pissed off?do you treat em like bees and bucket the queen or something? im no expert at diggin em so im just asking out of honest interest.

 

i did laugh though on thought of digging a big nest like that old badger.

 

all the best uncle p

[ChrisJones 7,975]

well im new to that one i bet they go fookin mad when you dig em.. fookin workers getting stung 50 yards out n sh*t.

 

 

that must be hot work good on ya though must be fun to do. i sat and watched a badger diggin one big nest out of a bank and they went crazy,i loved watching it but fook that..to dramatic for me.

 

how do you stop the swarming? and how do you deal with the stragglers flying around pissed off?do you treat em like bees and bucket the queen or something? im no expert at diggin em so im just asking out of honest interest.

 

i did laugh though on thought of digging a big nest like that old badger.

 

all the best uncle p

 

Mate! They went apeshit!

 

I couldn't stop the swarming, they were full on pissed at what I was doing.

 

It was very hot work, and I had overalls on under my bee suit. Still got a couple of mild stings and I had the pant legs, and gloves, duct taped to my arms, and ankles.

 

The wasps were showing from concrete ducting. Show up... Apply the dust. As I was walking back to the van the heavens opened. I knew that it would kill the dust, so I went back with a shovel, a couple of gallons of water, bin bags, sprays and aerosols.

 

Told the sparks what I was going to do and not get too close.

 

I, hydrated, suited up again and started lifting up the concrete ducting. All of this is on the slope of the railway embankment. When I lifted up the concrete duct I was at eye level with a 3" hole in the ground... the whole tube was covered in wasps. That's when they covered me.

 

Adrenaline is racing. I sprayed the insecticide in the hole and stuck the shovel in... started digging like there was a dog under there!

 

Two shovel fulls and I'm hitting nest layers... Pick them up with my gloves, spray them with aerosol, put them in the bag...

 

Wasps are swarming all over me. The sparks are now the opposite side of the lines phoning their mates, and filming the whole thing.

 

Dig. Spray. Bag. Repeat... until it was done. It took me about 40mins, in total, but I got the whole nest and it was about the size of a rubbish bin.

 

I sprayed myself off with aerosol. Not HSE approved but I'd be f****d if I was going to carry any stragglers. I walked about 200yards... Still suited. I was sweating and on the verge of heat stroke. Stripped down from my suit and overalls and drank the rest of my water.

 

I'm sure the skeptics will be shaking their heads. Don't really care! I know I got called a dick, a few posts back, but I've done a lot of these kinds of nest and my business, at the time, relied on results. I know it lead to more work and that's kinda the point. Heatstroke is a serious risk on those kind of jobs and anyone that's had to wear a lot of PPE, on a technical job, knows that it's hot, sweaty, and potentially dangerous work. I didn't have the luxury of the spray, sign, and drive off, in all the jobs I did. I was a trouble shooter and spent the vast portion of my career cleaning up from techs that were either out of their depth, or just shit at what they did.

 

That probably sounds really arrogant, and I'm not really arsed. As long as the £25, one day course, wasp removal, lads are here I'd make money cleaning up after them. It was my career at the time, not just a side job to make money. I've had jobs, in lofts, where I'm breaking the nest up with a shovel and doing the same thing. Spray, bag, repeat. Only balancing on roof trusses. No nest. No call backs. Not all of them needed it, by a long shot, but I always tried to move the nest where it was possible.

 

It hurt at the time but it was a lot of fun, looking back. It was like digging for fun but all stingy at every shovel full. I got paid decent money. Had a lot of work, and I really enjoyed it, to boot!

 

Love what you do!

[unclepesta 101]

lmfao

[unclepesta 101]

loved it i can relate to the heat its unreal on long jobs when the pressures on sweating is a understatement. very funny story and i do beleive you actually did it as crazy as it sounds. fair play for the write up and detail im sure shropshire was not meaning malice by calling you a dick he just envisioned you getting stung up and thought you were a little crazy... its just alien to some but if it worked out then best to ya.. you obviously loved it. your a adrenaline junky.

[shropshire mole 190]

 

well im new to that one i bet they go fookin mad when you dig em.. fookin workers getting stung 50 yards out n sh*t.

 

 

that must be hot work good on ya though must be fun to do. i sat and watched a badger diggin one big nest out of a bank and they went crazy,i loved watching it but fook that..to dramatic for me.

 

how do you stop the swarming? and how do you deal with the stragglers flying around pissed off?do you treat em like bees and bucket the queen or something? im no expert at diggin em so im just asking out of honest interest.

 

i did laugh though on thought of digging a big nest like that old badger.

 

all the best uncle p

 

Mate! They went apeshit!

 

I couldn't stop the swarming, they were full on pissed at what I was doing.

 

It was very hot work, and I had overalls on under my bee suit. Still got a couple of mild stings and I had the pant legs, and gloves, duct taped to my arms, and ankles.

 

The wasps were showing from concrete ducting. Show up... Apply the dust. As I was walking back to the van the heavens opened. I knew that it would kill the dust, so I went back with a shovel, a couple of gallons of water, bin bags, sprays and aerosols.

 

Told the sparks what I was going to do and not get too close.

 

I, hydrated, suited up again and started lifting up the concrete ducting. All of this is on the slope of the railway embankment. When I lifted up the concrete duct I was at eye level with a 3" hole in the ground... the whole tube was covered in wasps. That's when they covered me.

 

Adrenaline is racing. I sprayed the insecticide in the hole and stuck the shovel in... started digging like there was a dog under there!

 

Two shovel fulls and I'm hitting nest layers... Pick them up with my gloves, spray them with aerosol, put them in the bag...

 

Wasps are swarming all over me. The sparks are now the opposite side of the lines phoning their mates, and filming the whole thing.

 

Dig. Spray. Bag. Repeat... until it was done. It took me about 40mins, in total, but I got the whole nest and it was about the size of a rubbish bin.

 

I sprayed myself off with aerosol. Not HSE approved but I'd be f****d if I was going to carry any stragglers. I walked about 200yards... Still suited. I was sweating and on the verge of heat stroke. Stripped down from my suit and overalls and drank the rest of my water.

 

I'm sure the skeptics will be shaking their heads. Don't really care! I know I got called a dick, a few posts back, but I've done a lot of these kinds of nest and my business, at the time, relied on results. I know it lead to more work and that's kinda the point. Heatstroke is a serious risk on those kind of jobs and anyone that's had to wear a lot of PPE, on a technical job, knows that it's hot, sweaty, and potentially dangerous work. I didn't have the luxury of the spray, sign, and drive off, in all the jobs I did. I was a trouble shooter and spent the vast portion of my career cleaning up from techs that were either out of their depth, or just shit at what they did.

 

That probably sounds really arrogant, and I'm not really arsed. As long as the £25, one day course, wasp removal, lads are here I'd make money cleaning up after them. It was my career at the time, not just a side job to make money. I've had jobs, in lofts, where I'm breaking the nest up with a shovel and doing the same thing. Spray, bag, repeat. Only balancing on roof trusses. No nest. No call backs. Not all of them needed it, by a long shot, but I always tried to move the nest where it was possible.

 

It hurt at the time but it was a lot of fun, looking back. It was like digging for fun but all stingy at every shovel full. I got paid decent money. Had a lot of work, and I really enjoyed it, to boot!

 

Love what you do!

 

Chris, yes did call you a dick! but then anyone who posts "they would rather take a sting rather than use ppe" can be nothing else.

 

Agree that with no nest no call back, BUT balancing on loft trusses, with the risk of falling/damage to ceiling, does not make sense unless you are charging a fortune. I dont get call backs, if you do the job well, a good puff of Ficam is all I need.

 

Sorry don`t agree being swarmed/stung by wasps could ever be classed as fun

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Chris, yes did call you a dick! but then anyone who posts "they would rather take a sting rather than use ppe" can be nothing else.

 

Agree that with no nest no call back, BUT balancing on loft trusses, with the risk of falling/damage to ceiling, does not make sense unless you are charging a fortune. I dont get call backs, if you do the job well, a good puff of Ficam is all I need.

 

Sorry don`t agree being swarmed/stung by wasps could ever be classed as fun

 

 

Try understanding what I was getting at... I didn't say I'd rather get stung than use PPE. I said I'd rather take a sting than risk heatstroke. Something I don't find dickish in the slightest.

 

You might be Captain Cautious, but I'm going to risk balancing on roof trusses when nests are above people's bedrooms. Never been through a ceiling never caused any hassle. I'd do it again, and again, and again. Didn't charge a fortune. Just liked getting results, with repeat and refered customers.

 

You're absolutely right though. If you do the job right you don't get call backs. I didn't get call backs either. Why use a toxic product when you can remove it without insecticide?

 

It's not fun being swarmed... at first! But then you live for it! Some people drive fast cars. Some people sky dive. I dug wasps nests!

 

Love what you do lads!

 

Christopher "Bellend" Jones

Edited June 28, 2015 by ChrisJones

[lurcherchris 5]

Got to admit I agree with Shropshire mole, a good puff of ficam is all that is needed. I've treated nests in wet conditions before and not had a problem. I think as long as your getting enough in there beyond the entrance the wasps will walk the powder in and do the job for you. I very rarely remove a nest unless the the customer asks me to but this is done after treatment. What about all the workers that are out foraging? they will come back to the site which has not been treated, yes the will die "eventually" but they will hang around for sometime in my experience hence why I don't remove without doing a treatment first.

 

May I ask why you wouldn't treat a nest above someone's bedroom? You can always get them to close a window for an hour and keep clear from the treated are. Surely the health and safety risks there are far lower to treat the nest from outside than going into a loft with full coveralls on you say you wear, I'm assuming you wear a mask to, plus carrying kit up there to either treat or remove the nest in your case. All this in the height of summer in an insulated loft that is going to be absolutely roasting also taking into account the health and safety factors that your working in a confined space.

 

This reminds me of that programme the lady killers when that lady and her daughter treated the nest in the compost heap, digging it up spraying areoles into the air and all over one another making a complete hash of it when all was needed was to walk over quietly and a couple of puffs with a bulb duster and jobs a gooden.

[shropshire mole 190]

 

Chris, yes did call you a dick! but then anyone who posts "they would rather take a sting rather than use ppe" can be nothing else.

 

Agree that with no nest no call back, BUT balancing on loft trusses, with the risk of falling/damage to ceiling, does not make sense unless you are charging a fortune. I dont get call backs, if you do the job well, a good puff of Ficam is all I need.

 

Sorry don`t agree being swarmed/stung by wasps could ever be classed as fun

 

 

Try understanding what I was getting at... I didn't say I'd rather get stung than use PPE. I said I'd rather take a sting than risk heatstroke. Something I don't find dickish in the slightest.

 

You might be Captain Cautious, but I'm going to risk balancing on roof trusses when nests are above people's bedrooms. Never been through a ceiling never caused any hassle. I'd do it again, and again, and again. Didn't charge a fortune. Just liked getting results, with repeat and refered customers.

 

You're absolutely right though. If you do the job right you don't get call backs. I didn't get call backs either. Why use a toxic product when you can remove it without insecticide?

 

It's not fun being swarmed... at first! But then you live for it! Some people drive fast cars. Some people sky dive. I dug wasps nests!

 

Love what you do lads!

 

Christopher "Bellend" Jones

 

Not Capt Cautious - but surely is it worth the risk of damage to ceiling (or you on rusty nails etc) by hanging on, whilst doing a wasp nest.

 

You make £40.

if all goes tits up, a claim on your insurance, the excess to pay and higher premiums next year. Think most folk on here would avoid your way to dealing with wasps, not saying your wrong, just different. And like lurcherchris said after removing the nest there will be loads of "nusiance" wasps around who are going to be in the stinging mood for quite sometime after their "house" was removed

[DIDO.1 22,838]

....quick blast from my spray can then I'm off to my next job with £20 burning a hole in my tracky pants, feck getting stung

Edited June 28, 2015 by DIDO.1

[Rowan 308]

Must admit I agree with treating the nest and/or area with Ficam and then leaving well alone , nest and all . Have been to one loft this year with two old nests still insitu , one from last year and one from the year before . I do not remove a nest unless the customers specifically asks me to and then I go back at least a week after treatment and charge extra.

Whatever works for you , crack on.