Ireland Whippet Racing Back On At Shanes Game Fair 27/28 June

[murphyanthony12 21]

look all these judges are connected some way or another and no oone can say there not all have a clan forget whos paying at the gates dont they.

[AlbertJ 569]

 

 

"constant moaning " why because you dont answer the questions I put to you, the sentences that have a ? at the end.

Rifle Men Are Roots is calling the same shots I have repeatedly asked of you but I dont get an answer because I dont go to your shows so my opinions dont count.

The racing at your shows Has anyone ever won the Master McGrath that was nt connected to you? ie part of the organisers team? accompanied you to Stormont to promote your shows? any challenges about these peoples dogs are vehemently brushed aside by yourself.

Judging the racing: Why so many judges on the line? and that incident where an organiser called another organisers dog as winner when the other judges called another dog as winner? Then you had the video camera scenario on the line?

For Now

Y.I.S Leeview

This really is the final post to Leeview who has the audacity to sign himself 'Yours in Sport'' at the end of a post full of nasty and inaccurate insinuations. Yes I do think that because you don't attend shows in Ireland there is a real danger of you being totally ill informed as you have demonstrated here. Yes the first dog that won the Master Mc Grath was invited to the Stormont launch but the owner WAS NOT part of the organising team. AND the dog had been the top racing dog in Ireland and arguably in the Uk for several years. It won fair & square and no one has ever complained other than YOU! All of the other winning dogs were from the ROI and had no connection with me or the Shanes Castle Fair. The people who won the last two years I met for the first time when they won. I did see the dogs win fair & square and there were no challenged on the day so why should I reply to silly challenges and innuendo several months or years later. There are three judges on the line for the master Mc Grath including the Chairman of the Hunting Association of NI. I consider your comments and insinuations to be dangerously near to defamation and I will be asking the administrator to look carefully at them. There HAS NEVER BEEN A CHALLENGE to the result. It would appear that you have a very sad life indeed scouring the HL for any adverse comments to attack me and our events no matter how silly and inaccurate they are. You really should get a life. NOW this is the last time I shall respond to you except on a separate thread.

 

Now albert you crack on to be articulate? Please show where I said he was part of the organising team?

Quote"Has anyone ever won the Master McGrath that isnt connected to you? ie part of the organisers team?accompanied you to Stormont to promote your shows?any challenges about these dogs are vehemently are brushed aside by yourself"

thats word perfect to what I asked of you and the above is your reply, truthfully where did I say he was part of the organising team? the owner attended Stormont and then won the Master McGrath not the other way round.

the last 2 years winners you say were nt part of the racing organisers? well in that case I'll apologise for that statement

Now about coming dangerously close to defamation please tell where that is? as all I've done is ask questions that you run away from a try belittle myself with your misquotes

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

Putting question marks behind a nasty accusation or insinuation doesn't prevent one being sued for defamation. So John Humphries was invited with us to Stormont as someone with a top winning lurcher just as was the North Down Hunt; top winning golden retrievers; top handlers of spaniels and Labradors etc, etc - the idea was to bring country sports to the heart of government to promote them NOT set up for John to win the Master McGrath. My life and the fair does not totally revolve around lurcher racing!!!! For john to win the Master McGrath he had to qualify at an independently run event ; go through two heats and then win a final. etc etc. The implication you make and you made that because he was at Stormont it was somehow fixed ( by me or someone else) that three judges in the Master Mc Grath including the Chairman of Hunting Association of NI allowed him to win the Master McGrath when other dogs ran faster than his dog on the day or that we somehow 'fixed' the other dogs on the day to let John's dog win. YOU ALSO MADE SIMILAR INSINUATIONS ABOUT THE TWO LATEST WINNERS and have had to apologise for it. Now if that is not what you meant to say you had better make ANOTHER APOLOGY because there will be a few of us lining up to get such a retraction formally- including I would think John who won it fair and square. As you also made a nasty insinuation against the last two winners who I had never met. I think they too might want a word with you.

Edited June 11, 2015 by AlbertJ

[milliken 791]

how did this go from a post about whippets till all this rubbish its all this type of shit that has the show and racing seen the way it is today if there is hard feeling for what ever reason be men about and speak face to face for all over here

[Leeview 791]

 

 

 

"constant moaning " why because you dont answer the questions I put to you, the sentences that have a ? at the end.

Rifle Men Are Roots is calling the same shots I have repeatedly asked of you but I dont get an answer because I dont go to your shows so my opinions dont count.

The racing at your shows Has anyone ever won the Master McGrath that was nt connected to you? ie part of the organisers team? accompanied you to Stormont to promote your shows? any challenges about these peoples dogs are vehemently brushed aside by yourself.

Judging the racing: Why so many judges on the line? and that incident where an organiser called another organisers dog as winner when the other judges called another dog as winner? Then you had the video camera scenario on the line?

For Now

Y.I.S Leeview

This really is the final post to Leeview who has the audacity to sign himself 'Yours in Sport'' at the end of a post full of nasty and inaccurate insinuations. Yes I do think that because you don't attend shows in Ireland there is a real danger of you being totally ill informed as you have demonstrated here. Yes the first dog that won the Master Mc Grath was invited to the Stormont launch but the owner WAS NOT part of the organising team. AND the dog had been the top racing dog in Ireland and arguably in the Uk for several years. It won fair & square and no one has ever complained other than YOU! All of the other winning dogs were from the ROI and had no connection with me or the Shanes Castle Fair. The people who won the last two years I met for the first time when they won. I did see the dogs win fair & square and there were no challenged on the day so why should I reply to silly challenges and innuendo several months or years later. There are three judges on the line for the master Mc Grath including the Chairman of the Hunting Association of NI. I consider your comments and insinuations to be dangerously near to defamation and I will be asking the administrator to look carefully at them. There HAS NEVER BEEN A CHALLENGE to the result. It would appear that you have a very sad life indeed scouring the HL for any adverse comments to attack me and our events no matter how silly and inaccurate they are. You really should get a life. NOW this is the last time I shall respond to you except on a separate thread.

 

Now albert you crack on to be articulate? Please show where I said he was part of the organising team?

Quote"Has anyone ever won the Master McGrath that isnt connected to you? ie part of the organisers team?accompanied you to Stormont to promote your shows?any challenges about these dogs are vehemently are brushed aside by yourself"

thats word perfect to what I asked of you and the above is your reply, truthfully where did I say he was part of the organising team? the owner attended Stormont and then won the Master McGrath not the other way round.

the last 2 years winners you say were nt part of the racing organisers? well in that case I'll apologise for that statement

Now about coming dangerously close to defamation please tell where that is? as all I've done is ask questions that you run away from a try belittle myself with your misquotes

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

Putting question marks behind a nasty accusation or insinuation doesn't prevent one being sued for defamation. So John Humphries was invited with us to Stormont as someone with a top winning lurcher just as was the North Down Hunt; top winning golden retrievers; top handlers of spaniels and Labradors etc, etc - the idea was to bring country sports to the heart of government to promote them NOT set up for John to win the Master McGrath. My life and the fair does not totally revolve around lurcher racing!!!! For john to win the Master McGrath he had to qualify at an independently run event ; go through two heats and then win a final. etc etc. The implication you make and you made that because he was at Stormont it was somehow fixed ( by me or someone else) that three judges in the Master Mc Grath including the Chairman of Hunting Association of NI allowed him to win the Master McGrath when other dogs ran faster than his dog on the day or that we somehow 'fixed' the other dogs on the day to let John's dog win. YOU ALSO MADE SIMILAR INSINUATIONS ABOUT THE TWO LATEST WINNERS and have had to apologise for it. Now if that is not what you meant to say you had better make ANOTHER APOLOGY because there will be a few of us lining up to get such a retraction formally- including I would think John who won it fair and square. As you also made a nasty insinuation against the last two winners who I had never met. I think they too might want a word with you.

 

Common sense as an organiser should not be fraternising with competitors before or after a show it's not good PR. I never insinuated anything

YOU said I had,

I did apologise about the 2 latest winners But that can be rescinded pending pm's

So I've no intention of apologising so get your act together with your "few of us" lining up to get a retraction formally

Y.I.S Leeview

[AlbertJ 569]

 

 

 

 

"constant moaning " why because you dont answer the questions I put to you, the sentences that have a ? at the end.

Rifle Men Are Roots is calling the same shots I have repeatedly asked of you but I dont get an answer because I dont go to your shows so my opinions dont count.

The racing at your shows Has anyone ever won the Master McGrath that was nt connected to you? ie part of the organisers team? accompanied you to Stormont to promote your shows? any challenges about these peoples dogs are vehemently brushed aside by yourself.

Judging the racing: Why so many judges on the line? and that incident where an organiser called another organisers dog as winner when the other judges called another dog as winner? Then you had the video camera scenario on the line?

For Now

Y.I.S Leeview

This really is the final post to Leeview who has the audacity to sign himself 'Yours in Sport'' at the end of a post full of nasty and inaccurate insinuations. Yes I do think that because you don't attend shows in Ireland there is a real danger of you being totally ill informed as you have demonstrated here. Yes the first dog that won the Master Mc Grath was invited to the Stormont launch but the owner WAS NOT part of the organising team. AND the dog had been the top racing dog in Ireland and arguably in the Uk for several years. It won fair & square and no one has ever complained other than YOU! All of the other winning dogs were from the ROI and had no connection with me or the Shanes Castle Fair. The people who won the last two years I met for the first time when they won. I did see the dogs win fair & square and there were no challenged on the day so why should I reply to silly challenges and innuendo several months or years later. There are three judges on the line for the master Mc Grath including the Chairman of the Hunting Association of NI. I consider your comments and insinuations to be dangerously near to defamation and I will be asking the administrator to look carefully at them. There HAS NEVER BEEN A CHALLENGE to the result. It would appear that you have a very sad life indeed scouring the HL for any adverse comments to attack me and our events no matter how silly and inaccurate they are. You really should get a life. NOW this is the last time I shall respond to you except on a separate thread.

 

Now albert you crack on to be articulate? Please show where I said he was part of the organising team?

Quote"Has anyone ever won the Master McGrath that isnt connected to you? ie part of the organisers team?accompanied you to Stormont to promote your shows?any challenges about these dogs are vehemently are brushed aside by yourself"

thats word perfect to what I asked of you and the above is your reply, truthfully where did I say he was part of the organising team? the owner attended Stormont and then won the Master McGrath not the other way round.

the last 2 years winners you say were nt part of the racing organisers? well in that case I'll apologise for that statement

Now about coming dangerously close to defamation please tell where that is? as all I've done is ask questions that you run away from a try belittle myself with your misquotes

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

Putting question marks behind a nasty accusation or insinuation doesn't prevent one being sued for defamation. So John Humphries was invited with us to Stormont as someone with a top winning lurcher just as was the North Down Hunt; top winning golden retrievers; top handlers of spaniels and Labradors etc, etc - the idea was to bring country sports to the heart of government to promote them NOT set up for John to win the Master McGrath. My life and the fair does not totally revolve around lurcher racing!!!! For john to win the Master McGrath he had to qualify at an independently run event ; go through two heats and then win a final. etc etc. The implication you make and you made that because he was at Stormont it was somehow fixed ( by me or someone else) that three judges in the Master Mc Grath including the Chairman of Hunting Association of NI allowed him to win the Master McGrath when other dogs ran faster than his dog on the day or that we somehow 'fixed' the other dogs on the day to let John's dog win. YOU ALSO MADE SIMILAR INSINUATIONS ABOUT THE TWO LATEST WINNERS and have had to apologise for it. Now if that is not what you meant to say you had better make ANOTHER APOLOGY because there will be a few of us lining up to get such a retraction formally- including I would think John who won it fair and square. As you also made a nasty insinuation against the last two winners who I had never met. I think they too might want a word with you.

 

Common sense as an organiser should not be fraternising with competitors before or after a show it's not good PR. I never insinuated anything

YOU said I had,

I did apologise about the 2 latest winners But that can be rescinded pending pm's

So I've no intention of apologising so get your act together with your "few of us" lining up to get a retraction formally

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Final personal comment to LV. What a really stupid and unpleasant man you are. Now lets see what sort of MAN you actually are. Lets have your name and address ( by PM if necessary) to test whether your comments are fair or will you continue to hide behind an alias! Of course I know people throughout the sporting world as I am involved in it and when we do high profile publicity launches such at Stormont we invite representatives of the various sports. For you to insinuate or allege that because John Humphreys was there (along with about other people and a range of politicians and was 'fraternised' with) that it was somehow 'fixed' that he won the Master Mc Grath. Now that does really show how credible anything you say is - as this is not an allegation that anyone else has ever made. I will repeat : 1. I didn't organise the race 2. We had three quite independent line judges including the Chairman of the Hunting Association of NI. 3. The race was videod and photographed and watched by several hundred people. 4. John's dog to qualify had to qualify under independent judges at a independently run event. 5. He had to go through two heats on the day and then win the final. Now if I could organise to 'fix' all of this for John to win then I must be some operator. And no one who actually saw all of this made a similar claim to you. Only you Leeview could draw this conclusion when you were not even there but were 'over the pond'.

 

What you said in a quite blatant attempt to damage the reputation of the Master McGrath race, our events, that of our organising team and myself and included " Has anyone ever won the Master McGrath that was nt connected to you? ie part of the organisers team? accompanied you to Stormont to promote your shows" . The only one of the winners that is included in this particularly nasty slur is John who as I say won fair and square as all of the winners have and was caught up in this because he accompanied us to Stormont to help promote lurcher racing.

 

Now an interesting little aside is that one of the golden retriever owners who was there was invited because his dogs had won top show honours in Ireland and the Uk and we wanted to show as many dogs as possible and he was representing the pedigree dog show at the fair. He is a good friend of mine and secretary to my chairmanship of the local club. On the one time that I have judged his dog and could have displayed favouritism to his dog he was second to someone who I had never met or 'fraternised' with. And any of the whippet owners on here can confirm that when I recently had a pleasant outing at a working dog show judging whippets some very good friends in the whippet world were given the same treatment as everyone else and were not winners even though I knew they had been or were currently BIS winners. . The people who are true sportspeople accept such judging decisions because they are honestly made as my opinion on the day. I suspect you would not be included in that category although you sign yourself 'IS'. Now let us test if you are. I challenge you to 'MAN up' and if you feel you have to involve other people in your vendetta against me be prepared to put your name and address behind the allegations and insinuations and let them and me get it on with you in court and get a ruling on who is right and who is wrong. Because make no mistake this stops now. Either put up or shut up and withdraw the allegations.

Edited June 13, 2015 by AlbertJ

[Mixedgrill 704]

Albert any chance you'd fix the show for me I'm looking to stud my bull x out to make a few quid

[snap_dog 1]

Albertj you have some job - having to listen to these boys! Now back to the whippets! ☺

[AlbertJ 569]

Albertj you have some job - having to listen to these boys! Now back to the whippets! ☺

 

Don't mind a bit of banter or even a robust conversation but I detest really nasty people who attack others to try to get at me!

 

And back to the whippets - I hope we are moving towards a resolution because a lot of good hearted people with the breed's and fair's interest at heart are prepared to make a principled compromise .

[snap_dog 1]

 

 

Albertj you have some job - having to listen to these boys! Now back to the whippets! ☺

Don't mind a bit of banter or even a robust conversation but I detest really nasty people who attack others to try to get at me!

 

And back to the whippets - I hope we are moving towards a resolution because a lot of good hearted people with the breed's and fair's interest at heart are prepared to make a principled compromise .

Well that is some good news. Thanks.

[AlbertJ 569]

In a final attempt to allow everyone the chance to run their whippets at the Game Fair at Shanes Castle on Saturday 27th June I had made a proposal that the Sporting Whippet Club run a MEMBERS ONLY race and also that the NILRC run a whippet race for their members. I am pleased that the Sporting Whippet Club has agreed to do this but disappointed that the NILRC did not take up this option for their members as I had hoped while not a solution to the whippet problems, all whippet owners could at least have an opportunity to run their dogs pending an overall resolution. I do wish to record my appreciation to Nigel Greer, the chairman, for his efforts in taking this proposal to the NILRC.

 

This is an information post only post as I feel the matter has been debated enough. This is our final position on whippet racing at Shanes this year.

[facts 7]

Albert could you answer me 2 things were you at Drunbo whippet club last week, and did you give the winning dog a qualifier for shanes and Birr. Also did you see the winning dog and could you tell me which class it won to go on to win overall in show.Next one did you give a qualifier for shanes and Birr to the Shannagh show you couldn't get to and were did the money go for the show. cant wait to hear what you have to say.

[AlbertJ 569]

Albert could you answer me 2 things were you at Drunbo whippet club last week, and did you give the winning dog a qualifier for shanes and Birr. Also did you see the winning dog and could you tell me which class it won to go on to win overall in show.Next one did you give a qualifier for shanes and Birr to the Shannagh show you couldn't get to and were did the money go for the show. cant wait to hear what you have to say.

 

Facts, As you are aware from the above I made a genuine attempt to try to ensure everyone had a chance to run their whippet at Shanes. It is a matter of regret to me that the NILRC did not take up the offer to run a whippet race for their members. Now I don't know what relevance your questions have to this but I will answer them honestly :

 

1. Irene and I did pop over to the Drumbo track for a short period mainly to put the proposal to the members about my idea for the two clubs running their own whippet racing at Shanes. I suggested it to a few of the committee members and then left it with them to decide for themselves. We watched a bit of the racing that was finishing and a bit of the showing but left before it was over as it was a 'night out' for us and we were going on for a meal in Lisburn. I didn't either meet the owner of the winning dog, actually see it winning or even notice it, as my post on facebook illustrates. I DID NOT give the winning dog qualifiers for Shanes and Birr - there is no qualifier for Birr for whippets. As I have explained before, this year we delegated the awarding of qualifiers to Shanes quite logically to the people running it and they allocated a qualifier to the Sporting Whippet Club as we have done in the past and to other shows. This has helped with administration as Margaret McStay has very helpfully kept records. For Birr with the organisers' permission I retained control over the Birr Five Nations qualifiers and basically I largely allocated them as widely as possible and preferably if there were no clashes.

 

2. Shannagh is my local show and I do try to get along to it if possible and had planned to do so and then go on to the horse racing at Downpatrick - as it happened I had quite a few things to get off my desk and got to neither. I was happy to give Shannagh qualifiers for Birr and I understand they were also independently awarded qualifiers for Shanes. After this had been agreed I was approached for qualifiers for BIRR ONLY by the guys running the Blackwood show and although there was a clash I spoke to one of the organisers, considered he was a genuine guy and gave them the qualifiers I suggested he speak to our Shanes organiser to try to ease relations over competing shows. I did NOT suggest he ask for Shanes qualifiers for this year but to keep the door open for future years.

 

3. Where and how much of the money from any show goes to charity is nothing to do with me although I have offered to publicise such donations in the magazine as it is good PR for working dogs. To date only Micky Quinn's show and Kieran Young's Mourne Show have provided full information but I hope others will take up my invitation to do so. I do not know where the money raised from Shannagh, the Blackwood Show or other shows has gone or what donations these and other shows have made from the proceeds. This is not really a factor in being awarded our qualifiers as we prefer to make our own charitable donations through activities we control.

 

In future if you wish to ask me questions I would be happier for you to call me, or pm me on facebook as I prefer to speak to people who identify themselves rather than to people using aliases. Albert

Edited June 16, 2015 by AlbertJ

[facts 7]

sorry mate about the aliase name but think a lot on here use them . so you think the money from shannagh is going to a charity, I think you better go find out before someone puts it on you site the great game fairs. Theres a bad story going about and I don't know if its true and I say again I don't know if it true, but it going to look bad on you. Sorry mate I wont be pm you and Leeview a good guy

[AlbertJ 569]

Well Facts,

 

When Shannagh were given their qualifiers they made no commitment to us as to what the money raised would be going to. Other shows give ALL proceeds to charity as Mickey Quinn's show did - others take out their expenses and donate the balance , others simply make a donation and keep the balance. Where proceeds go has got nothing at all to do with us. As I said if show organisers wish to have publicity for their charity fundraising we are happy to facilitate them in our magazine.

 

You appear to have some sort of personal grudge against Shannagh and the Sporting Whippet Club and if you do then that is your business but please keep me out of it. As for Leeview I don't share your opinion of him.

 

Albert ( my real name!)

[facts 7]

I have no grudge for any show , who said sporting whippet club not me and I don't think you will put this one in your magazine if it comes out about the money trust me. I will say it again I don't know if it true, but there will be a lot of shame faces facts is my name and I hope the facts about the money is wrong thanks for getting back to me