J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet, I think we may see some further 'clarifications' in the coming weeks. What really puzzles me is why anyone thought it was a good idea to go to the trouble of naming specific 'clone' traps but then NOT to record that anywhere permanent and referenceable. It does seem a little odd. I can only presume that someone has forced their hand in some way in getting said traps on the 'list'.... but, if we are to take their words of: a spring trap is equivalent in all relevant respects to a spring trap of a type and make specified in the Schedule if it corresponds to the spring trap so specified in construction, in materials, in impact force or momentum, and in all other respects which are relevant to its effect or manner of operation as a trap Then I cannot see how Bridger, Duke and Bellisle of the 110 size can't be legal. They're all the same dimensions, all of a suitable quality and more than adequate for purpose. Thanks for sharing the article John. Quote Link to post
moxy 617 Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 It will be interesting to see the outcome. The Duke has the strongest spring I have come across. You ain't come across the Belisle then?No Eddie. Not yet but I'm always willing to give things a go Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,168 Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 It will be interesting to see the outcome. The Duke has the strongest spring I have come across. You ain't come across the Belisle then?No Eddie. Not yet but I'm always willing to give things a go image.jpg Ha! Looks like my shed! Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Nice trap is the 120-2 Are they the traps you dyed JD, or the ones you painted? Hi, I dip them in a Rustoleum solution. 1 Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,168 Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Nice trap is the 120-2 Are they the traps you dyed JD, or the ones you painted? Hi, I dip them in a Rustoleum solution. JD are you using Acetone to thin your paint? Tried to locate some here in Ireland, but wasn't successful! Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 White spirit /turps mate 1 Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 see update on my other post. 120-2 is illegal. Quote Link to post
john b 38 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 As I suspected might happen, the official position has now changed. My reading of this now is that they are NOT legal "Under Sec 2 of the Spring Traps Approval (England) Order 2012, any spring trap which is equivalent in all relevant respects to a spring trap of a type and make specified in any entry in Column 1 of the Schedule, is approved. A spring trap is equivalent in all relevant respects to a spring trap of a type and make specified in the Schedule if it corresponds to the spring trap so specified in construction, in materials, in impact force or momentum, and in all other respects which are relevant to its effect or manner of operation as a trap. The Victor Conibear 120-2 consists of 2 springs whereas the BMI Magnum 116 consists of only one. The construction of the Victor Conibear 120-2 is therefore at variance to that of the BMI Magnum 116, which means it cannot be regarded as ‘equivalent in all relevant respects’." Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 It is not legal because as it's two springs it cannot be classed as a clone of a single springed trap. Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 It is not legal because as it's two springs it cannot be classed as a clone of a single springed trap. yes jd.. bloody crazy imo. more trap alterations for me coming up. Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 A good question ... If you find the answer I would be interested to hear it heres the answer i received. Your query regarding the Victor Conibear 120-2 spring trap has been passed to me for response as I am the lead specialist on traps and trapping for Natural England. So in answer to your question…yes…the Victor Conibear 120-2 is approved for use against mink, provided it is set in a natural or artificial tunnel which is, in either case, suitable for the purpose. A quick U turn from the lead specialist!!!! 2 Quote Link to post
stealthy1 3,964 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Nice trap is the 120-2 Are they the traps you dyed JD, or the ones you painted? Hi, I dip them in a Rustoleum solution. Cheers mate Quote Link to post
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