How Does A Open Ticket Work ?

[Bigad 136]

Hi guys got in to a debate at work with another bloke that shoots about having a open ticket I have a closed one at the mo so I have to send a signed permission in to police if land is passed or

If not request them to check land first .

He has a open ticket said he had to wait 18 month but now it's granted he can shoot where he has permission with out any checks but can shoot on other peoples land as long as they ( the permission holder ) are with him like. Now I thought you still had to send In signed permission slips to the police and did not know you could go on other peoples land as a guest .

Can anyone shed any light on this for me

[walshie 2,804]

You don't have to send a signed permission slip to the police even with a closed ticket, it's just that land has to be cleared for whatever calibre.

 

With an open ticket, you can shoot wherever you deem it safe to do so as long as you have permission, whether verbal or written. It even says it on the wording on the FAC.

 

He's talking rubbish when he says he can go on someone else's permission. It would all depend if that person's permission allowed them to take other shooters with them or not.

 

Tell him to read it again properly. Ignorance is no defence.

[ianm 2,594]

You can go wherever you like and shoot whatever calibre you like so long as you deem it safe to do so and you have permision to be on the land shooting.

[charlie caller 3,654]

Yes as Walshie says, I think your work mate needs to read his conditions again, "The .... rifle and sound moderator, shall be used for the shooting of deer and fox, and zeroing on land and ranges where the holder has LAWFUL authority to be" it does not automatically give him carte-blanche to shoot on a mates land, yes if his mates land is passed for .22rf and he owns a .308 providing he has authority to shoot the ground he can use his .308, but he needs authority, usually from the landowner, keeper, or other agent of the owner.

[Bigad 136]

Got on to him today and his mate also had open ticket and has permission from land owner to take a guest on so I have taken his word for it and it's his licence end of day if I were him I would want to here it from land owner or see it in writing as I value my licence and have been on the phone to West Yorkshire police today who said for me to get an open licence I should wait 18 months but I mentioned I had already shot 700 rounds with in 9 month of been given my licence so was then told wait till September (1year) then send licence in with covering note to see if it is granted

[jacknife 2,005]

How many rounds you have shot shouldn't matter

 

Someone who has only shot say 100 rounds may have far more experience

 

In reality most don't even need an open ticket unless you keep getting lots of new permissions

[Bigad 136]

Got a new one already passed and one of Guys I already shoot for has a few other fields that are not passed as for a new shooter it would be a risk as it would only be safe to shoot 1 way sat from 1 place as sufficient back stop is limited. Also got another perm that the farmer said I can shoot but would need a open ticket as he don't want the police round.

[Alsone 789]

How many rounds you have shot shouldn't matter

 

Someone who has only shot say 100 rounds may have far more experience

 

 

Although it doesn't generally work like that, I am 100% in agreement.

[AThomas 32]

I would agree with your mate to an extent.

His open cert will allow him onto you permission for example, if your land owner gives him the go ahead, and if his mate has an open cert he's allowed too , provided that they both have the permission of the land owner.

 

Their all written slightly differently, and vary from force to force, and there's always some sort of condition attached in most cases.

 

An open FAC doesn't require you to check with the police, hence the reason for an open, the onus and responsibility is on you to make sure the land is suitable for whatever cal of rifle you're using, but that should be the case anyway IMO.

 

Safe is safe whether it's a .22 or 308.

The whole' land deemed suitable' is nonsense IMO, , and backstop is backstop irrespective of calibre being used.

 

My open cert would allow me to come and shoot on your permission, if I had the land owners consent, and I could use my 270,243 or hmr, which there lies the loophole, if the same piece of land you shoot over with your closed certificate was only checked for 22rf.

 

As a matter of general courtesy I include. a copy of all my permission when i renew my FAC.

[Deker 3,478]

I would agree with your mate to an extent.

His open cert will allow him onto you permission for example, if your land owner gives him the go ahead, and if his mate has an open cert he's allowed too , provided that they both have the permission of the land owner.

 

Their all written slightly differently, and vary from force to force, and there's always some sort of condition attached in most cases.

 

An open FAC doesn't require you to check with the police, hence the reason for an open, the onus and responsibility is on you to make sure the land is suitable for whatever cal of rifle you're using, but that should be the case anyway IMO.

 

Safe is safe whether it's a .22 or 308.

The whole' land deemed suitable' is nonsense IMO, , and backstop is backstop irrespective of calibre being used.

 

My open cert would allow me to come and shoot on your permission, if I had the land owners consent, and I could use my 270,243 or hmr, which there lies the loophole, if the same piece of land you shoot over with your closed certificate was only checked for 22rf.

 

As a matter of general courtesy I include. a copy of all my permission when i renew my FAC.

 

 

Try telling them that when you turn up at the Lord Roberts Centre at Bisley with your .308!

[walshie 2,804]

The OP says his mate with the open ticket believes he can shoot someone else's permission as long as they are with him regardless of having permission to shoot there.

 

There's no ifs or buts, it's just not true.

[AThomas 32]

He has a open ticket said he had to wait 18 month but now it's granted he can shoot where he has permission with out any checks but can shoot on other peoples land as long as they ( the permission holder ) are with him.

 

I missread the first post.I thought he ment the land owner.apologies.

Edited May 20, 2015 by AThomas