About Books And The New Authors Nowadays.

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

I have Sparrows book and Pierce O Connors too, I've also read the book my a Mr Jack Loyds (can't remember his full name) and I've read all of Lucas's books (someone should show David Cameron the photo of badger digging at Chequers, the Prime Ministers country estate) and someone mentioned Gamecocks and Countrymen, a real gem IMO.

Also another publication IMO that is nice to see or pick up regarding terriers is the Yearbooks of the FMWTC. A good insight into the running and dealings of an important organisation.

I always liked Phil Drabble and I do believe he was a true countryman and I was always led to believe he only turned anti badger digging when a new breed of digger started to emerge.

He, like anyone else, was entitled to his opinion.

Your inbox is full again Jack Ivester_Lloyd

Y.I.S Leeview

 

LOL. I knew it began with an I.

He was an all rounder.

[Lutra Lutra 611]

Whatever the topic I like a honest writer, Phil Lloyd fits the bill for me, Lloyd on lurchers was always my 1st read in the cmw.

I have never met Phil but I have heard good things about him. Also years ago I did read many articles that he wrote about Lurchers and certain other subjects. Immediately you can tell that the man had considerable knowledge and expertise in what he did. I can put my hand on my heart and say that if I was after a running dog I would contact such a person. It isn't about scoring brownie points, but just being truthful........ Lutra Lutra.

[fat man 4,741]

 

 

I have Sparrows book and Pierce O Connors too, I've also read the book my a Mr Jack Loyds (can't remember his full name) and I've read all of Lucas's books (someone should show David Cameron the photo of badger digging at Chequers, the Prime Ministers country estate) and someone mentioned Gamecocks and Countrymen, a real gem IMO.

Also another publication IMO that is nice to see or pick up regarding terriers is the Yearbooks of the FMWTC. A good insight into the running and dealings of an important organisation.

I always liked Phil Drabble and I do believe he was a true countryman and I was always led to believe he only turned anti badger digging when a new breed of digger started to emerge.

He, like anyone else, was entitled to his opinion.

Totally agree with you Neil. However, what did annoy myself was that all the things Bert did for him as to the regards of Drabbles Badger project, then Drabble shunned Bert at a country fair because he didn't want to be seen with a terrier man who had previously got him the Badgers for his Nature reserve. What an hypocrite! Also by Drabbles own admission, he, himself played a major part in the down fall of otter hunting and the otter hunting fraternity.

 

There's where my ignorance takes over, I didn't know that.

I always presumed it was the pollution problem and the voluntary ban, end of story.

 

And i taught you knew everything,lol.

[Lutra Lutra 611]

Could I please reply to downsviews comments directed at myself in an earlier posting? If only he had read my particular post and been perhaps more observant in saying that I demanded honesty from the people who post certain topics on this forum. Never in any of my sentences have I demanded honesty from anyone. Also he stated that I was decrying, in his words, that I was in some way against terriers getting cut up or smashed up has some refer to it as. It would be utterly remarkable to think that a terrier would never get a mark or scar on it while out working. The way I look at such situations through experience is that it can be deemed to be seen has bad terrier work, and it will never do us any favours by parading terriers up and down in a show ring with chopped up terriers. Anyone who has enough knowledge and experience will realise and see when a terrier has either too much stick or been mishandled by it's owners. And 9 times out of 10, it is always the black and also coloured terriers that show all the marks, scars, call them what you want. However, by the other flip of the coin there are of course good terrier men who work their dogs correctly. Let everyone be honest with oneself, in that how many times have either they themselves or others have committed an act of putting 2 terriers in Earths or Setts together. I have been witness to see some so-called terrier men to be seen putting even more than 2 into holes. In no way would I dream of trying to denigrate the name of a good terrier man. To illustrate my point would to be able explain a certain tale about a particular big noise who decided some years back, that he would find fame and fortune with a certain red Lakeland dog by showing many people the prowess of such an animal of which he owned. The period was many years back; at a time when life was so much more relaxed. A rough-coated Russell bitch was entered into place which consisted of quite a few entrances. The dog immediately started to bay as she met her quarry. Standing back, but literally nose to nose with the the ursine head of her quarry. The bitch was taken out of the dig and the varmint released. The place was quickly back filled and we moved onto another Sett which was in the same pasture field; and only around 50 yards in proximity to the original place that had just been dug. The bitch being a clever dog and a bayer hadn't been bitten, so she was entered into this different place again. Surprisingly a small sized fox bolted almost immediately after the terrier had engaged its foe. Then to our utter surprise proceeded to make for the original Sett we had just dug previously.The fox went to ground thinking that is was safe until the little bitch was onto it again. We dug to the bitch yet again which by now had only received just a small puncture wound and a tiny slash on her muzzle. After lifting the bitch out she was tethered out had we now thought and was satisfied that she had done a fine job in the sport she had shown. That's when the big noise now decided it a good idea to enter his red Lakeland into the hole in which the fox lay in wait. The guy in his own statement said, 'I hope you don't want the foxes mask'! As the dog entered the fox lay in wait just around the corner.The fox hit the dog with a snapping ferocity which made the guy squirm in his own embarrassment. The moral of the story being simple. The clever dog that day that had used its brain over its brawn had succeeded in accounting for its opponents. However, as to the regards of the big strong Lakeland dog, he ambled off with its owner, both with their tail between their legs. That is an exact true story which happened and was witnessed by several people. Admittedly, there has been some good dogs, but in the process how many have quit the game through having too much stick. I do believe that the best of dogs will quit under certain circumstances and often being in the wrong hands.....Don't write back and say I am incorrect or biased towards black terriers because I am not, and like I said before of course there has been many good black or other coloured terriers. I just think that for an all rounder a good Russell will certainly take some beating. However, I have totally digressed from my original subject.Just replying to the persons questions. Neil, have you heard of the well known Author who uses the alias of BB.His name was Denys Watkins Pitchford. His works are held in high esteem by collectors. Best regards. Lutra Lutra.

[Lutra Lutra 611]

 

 

 

I have Sparrows book and Pierce O Connors too, I've also read the book my a Mr Jack Loyds (can't remember his full name) and I've read all of Lucas's books (someone should show David Cameron the photo of badger digging at Chequers, the Prime Ministers country estate) and someone mentioned Gamecocks and Countrymen, a real gem IMO.

Also another publication IMO that is nice to see or pick up regarding terriers is the Yearbooks of the FMWTC. A good insight into the running and dealings of an important organisation.

I always liked Phil Drabble and I do believe he was a true countryman and I was always led to believe he only turned anti badger digging when a new breed of digger started to emerge.

He, like anyone else, was entitled to his opinion.

Totally agree with you Neil. However, what did annoy myself was that all the things Bert did for him as to the regards of Drabbles Badger project, then Drabble shunned Bert at a country fair because he didn't want to be seen with a terrier man who had previously got him the Badgers for his Nature reserve. What an hypocrite! Also by Drabbles own admission, he, himself played a major part in the down fall of otter hunting and the otter hunting fraternity.

 

There's where my ignorance takes over, I didn't know that.

I always presumed it was the pollution problem and the voluntary ban, end of story.

 

And i taught you knew everything,lol.

Fatman, pollution played a part also like you stated.

[neil cooney 10,416]

Could I please reply to downsviews comments directed at myself in an earlier posting? If only he had read my particular post and been perhaps more observant in saying that I demanded honesty from the people who post certain topics on this forum. Never in any of my sentences have I demanded honesty from anyone. Also he stated that I was decrying, in his words, that I was in some way against terriers getting cut up or smashed up has some refer to it as. It would be utterly remarkable to think that a terrier would never get a mark or scar on it while out working. The way I look at such situations through experience is that it can be deemed to be seen has bad terrier work, and it will never do us any favours by parading terriers up and down in a show ring with chopped up terriers. Anyone who has enough knowledge and experience will realise and see when a terrier has either too much stick or been mishandled by it's owners. And 9 times out of 10, it is always the black and also coloured terriers that show all the marks, scars, call them what you want. However, by the other flip of the coin there are of course good terrier men who work their dogs correctly. Let everyone be honest with oneself, in that how many times have either they themselves or others have committed an act of putting 2 terriers in Earths or Setts together. I have been witness to see some so-called terrier men to be seen putting even more than 2 into holes. In no way would I dream of trying to denigrate the name of a good terrier man. To illustrate my point would to be able explain a certain tale about a particular big noise who decided some years back, that he would find fame and fortune with a certain red Lakeland dog by showing many people the prowess of such an animal of which he owned. The period was many years back; at a time when life was so much more relaxed. A rough-coated Russell bitch was entered into place which consisted of quite a few entrances. The dog immediately started to bay as she met her quarry. Standing back, but literally nose to nose with the the ursine head of her quarry. The bitch was taken out of the dig and the varmint released. The place was quickly back filled and we moved onto another Sett which was in the same pasture field; and only around 50 yards in proximity to the original place that had just been dug. The bitch being a clever dog and a bayer hadn't been bitten, so she was entered into this different place again. Surprisingly a small sized fox bolted almost immediately after the terrier had engaged its foe. Then to our utter surprise proceeded to make for the original Sett we had just dug previously.The fox went to ground thinking that is was safe until the little bitch was onto it again. We dug to the bitch yet again which by now had only received just a small puncture wound and a tiny slash on her muzzle. After lifting the bitch out she was tethered out had we now thought and was satisfied that she had done a fine job in the sport she had shown. That's when the big noise now decided it a good idea to enter his red Lakeland into the hole in which the fox lay in wait. The guy in his own statement said, 'I hope you don't want the foxes mask'! As the dog entered the fox lay in wait just around the corner.The fox hit the dog with a snapping ferocity which made the guy squirm in his own embarrassment. The moral of the story being simple. The clever dog that day that had used its brain over its brawn had succeeded in accounting for its opponents. However, as to the regards of the big strong Lakeland dog, he ambled off with its owner, both with their tail between their legs. That is an exact true story which happened and was witnessed by several people. Admittedly, there has been some good dogs, but in the process how many have quit the game through having too much stick. I do believe that the best of dogs will quit under certain circumstances and often being in the wrong hands.....Don't write back and say I am incorrect or biased towards black terriers because I am not, and like I said before of course there has been many good black or other coloured terriers. I just think that for an all rounder a good Russell will certainly take some beating. However, I have totally digressed from my original subject.Just replying to the persons questions. Neil, have you heard of the well known Author who uses the alias of BB.His name was Denys Watkins Pitchford. His works are held in high esteem by collectors. Best regards. Lutra Lutra.

BB was one of my earliest biggest influences and I have read nearly all his books and have around ten in my collection.

Glad to say too that my daughter has read most of his books also.

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

 

 

I have Sparrows book and Pierce O Connors too, I've also read the book my a Mr Jack Loyds (can't remember his full name) and I've read all of Lucas's books (someone should show David Cameron the photo of badger digging at Chequers, the Prime Ministers country estate) and someone mentioned Gamecocks and Countrymen, a real gem IMO.

Also another publication IMO that is nice to see or pick up regarding terriers is the Yearbooks of the FMWTC. A good insight into the running and dealings of an important organisation.

I always liked Phil Drabble and I do believe he was a true countryman and I was always led to believe he only turned anti badger digging when a new breed of digger started to emerge.

He, like anyone else, was entitled to his opinion.

Totally agree with you Neil. However, what did annoy myself was that all the things Bert did for him as to the regards of Drabbles Badger project, then Drabble shunned Bert at a country fair because he didn't want to be seen with a terrier man who had previously got him the Badgers for his Nature reserve. What an hypocrite! Also by Drabbles own admission, he, himself played a major part in the down fall of otter hunting and the otter hunting fraternity.

 

There's where my ignorance takes over, I didn't know that.

I always presumed it was the pollution problem and the voluntary ban, end of story.

 

And i taught you knew everything,lol.

 

Now I do. LOL.

[downsview 448]

Smashed isnt a word i would use,as for stories of the little yappers saving the day as the game dog skulks away with his tail between his legs wonderfull lovely story, read that type of thing loads of times but in reality very rarely works out that way,but back to authors i like dave harcombe as an author like his style and his views on what a working terrier should be capable of.I dont know if you are after causing controversy or if you are just bored but your style of writeing and the language you use gives me the impression you are not realy that great a fan of working terriers, unless there the type your selling, sounds like youve collected all the books though.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Sense of humour lacking a bit in wirralmans thread fd!

Sence of humour fine mate ,when theres something funny .

everyone who passed that little dog laughed their head off and as soon as I seen him I thought of your wonder dogs, your paranoia is only exceeded by your arrogance and your need to deride anybody who may have more knowledge or experience than you,you constantly criticise the very men that your supposed line are built upon, it costs nothing to be polite and respectfull until you are sure who some one is or what they are about, you ask for photo:,s without you doing so yourself,you were duped by 2 woolybacks and taken for 40 rips by a pretender,astute your certainly not,carrotcruncher you definetly are,enjoy !!! Your life and stop taking yourself so seriously WM

 

May pass for humour up your way but would only raise a smile here .Laughing would be drowned out by the sound of carrots being crunched .

what may come across as paranoia to you is the reason why there is still a line something you know all about in your quest for acceptance as a Plummer breeder .I was duped i admit it and ive said so in a pm .

If ive ever said untruths about Nuttall or Wheeler then id like to know where .Just because they bred the start dosnt mean i have to ass lick or cover up anything ,i owe them nothing .

If we are all honest with each other ,by the age of 50 we know what there is to know about terrier work or the years have been wasted .All this talk of you can never know it all is just romance to provide a sence of mistery.

You carry on with your poaching ways and threats to keepers .The insight into your life i had a while back was not one id be proud of tbh.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

I was going to add that you in turn critisise Plummer but you would have to own Plummers to be in that category and not spray tanned Russels .

If the pretender you write of is who i think it is then shame on you .Just because he wouldnt put you in his book that smacks of sour grapes lol.

That pretender has done more with dogs than half the forum put together .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Foxy, is there any chance of sending you a private mail sometime please?

inbox clear

[fireman 10,859]

Could I please reply to downsviews comments directed at myself in an earlier posting? If only he had read my particular post and been perhaps more observant in saying that I demanded honesty from the people who post certain topics on this forum. Never in any of my sentences have I demanded honesty from anyone. Also he stated that I was decrying, in his words, that I was in some way against terriers getting cut up or smashed up has some refer to it as. It would be utterly remarkable to think that a terrier would never get a mark or scar on it while out working. The way I look at such situations through experience is that it can be deemed to be seen has bad terrier work, and it will never do us any favours by parading terriers up and down in a show ring with chopped up terriers. Anyone who has enough knowledge and experience will realise and see when a terrier has either too much stick or been mishandled by it's owners. And 9 times out of 10, it is always the black and also coloured terriers that show all the marks, scars, call them what you want. However, by the other flip of the coin there are of course good terrier men who work their dogs correctly. Let everyone be honest with oneself, in that how many times have either they themselves or others have committed an act of putting 2 terriers in Earths or Setts together. I have been witness to see some so-called terrier men to be seen putting even more than 2 into holes. In no way would I dream of trying to denigrate the name of a good terrier man. To illustrate my point would to be able explain a certain tale about a particular big noise who decided some years back, that he would find fame and fortune with a certain red Lakeland dog by showing many people the prowess of such an animal of which he owned. The period was many years back; at a time when life was so much more relaxed. A rough-coated Russell bitch was entered into place which consisted of quite a few entrances. The dog immediately started to bay as she met her quarry. Standing back, but literally nose to nose with the the ursine head of her quarry. The bitch was taken out of the dig and the varmint released. The place was quickly back filled and we moved onto another Sett which was in the same pasture field; and only around 50 yards in proximity to the original place that had just been dug. The bitch being a clever dog and a bayer hadn't been bitten, so she was entered into this different place again. Surprisingly a small sized fox bolted almost immediately after the terrier had engaged its foe. Then to our utter surprise proceeded to make for the original Sett we had just dug previously.The fox went to ground thinking that is was safe until the little bitch was onto it again. We dug to the bitch yet again which by now had only received just a small puncture wound and a tiny slash on her muzzle. After lifting the bitch out she was tethered out had we now thought and was satisfied that she had done a fine job in the sport she had shown. That's when the big noise now decided it a good idea to enter his red Lakeland into the hole in which the fox lay in wait. The guy in his own statement said, 'I hope you don't want the foxes mask'! As the dog entered the fox lay in wait just around the corner.The fox hit the dog with a snapping ferocity which made the guy squirm in his own embarrassment. The moral of the story being simple. The clever dog that day that had used its brain over its brawn had succeeded in accounting for its opponents. However, as to the regards of the big strong Lakeland dog, he ambled off with its owner, both with their tail between their legs. That is an exact true story which happened and was witnessed by several people. Admittedly, there has been some good dogs, but in the process how many have quit the game through having too much stick. I do believe that the best of dogs will quit under certain circumstances and often being in the wrong hands.....Don't write back and say I am incorrect or biased towards black terriers because I am not, and like I said before of course there has been many good black or other coloured terriers. I just think that for an all rounder a good Russell will certainly take some beating. However, I have totally digressed from my original subject.Just replying to the persons questions. Neil, have you heard of the well known Author who uses the alias of BB.His name was Denys Watkins Pitchford. His works are held in high esteem by collectors. Best regards. Lutra Lutra.

These stories you seen for yourself of just second hand yarns?.

[Waz 4,252]

Anyone got any fieldsport book catologues? Ive got a few from Home Farm Books, some great sounding titles listed, made a few buys from there.

I borrowed 'The Terriers Vocation" from my brother who had it out from the library, promised myself id buy it one day, always remember the line that went something like "there comes a time in every young terriers life.." that has helped me with probably every terrier ive had or got! Dont think a modern day author would think he get away with that advice nowadays. Which is why I love the old books.

One ive got from 1961 is "Field Sports" compiled from articles in The Times newspaper, articles titled, "Tracking a stag for the hunt, Working Terriers With Character, Otter Hunt Skills etc". Photos of The Old Berkely hunt at Chenies, Essex foxhounds at Harlow, Deer stalking at Loch Rosque with a stag on pony and spotting scopes.

 

Too much chest beating in some modern books, shows lack of class. Although would like a copy of one book, but it would have to be a second hand copy, principals and all that.

 

Wheres the time machine?

[marshman 7,757]

My father was an avid reader and one book that sticks in my mind from when I was a child was a book called Fighting sports by Capt Fitzbarnard . I would love to read again has anyone else read it on here ?

[Waz 4,252]

Ive got it Marshman. Number 738 of 1000 1975 edition. Sure ive got another newer copy with a jacket. Might take me a while to find though. The dust on top of this one is shameful!

Youd probably find it easy enough online for sale though.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Columbo