About Books And The New Authors Nowadays.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

 

"I keep myself to myself"...............there's a phrase I have heard and read many times over the years. Coming sometimes from guys in Mags, Books, winning or competing in the more higher profile Shows, Judging at big Shows, Travelling around the country digging, along with some who have pictures of Dogs all over here!........I think I do quite well keeping "myself to myself" ....lol. A bit like nobody has ever heard of 'The Dealer'....lmao.

 

Who is "The Dealer"?

 

He had a dog named Jake and a cat called Kalamazoo.

[Waz 4,252]

 

 

"I keep myself to myself"...............there's a phrase I have heard and read many times over the years. Coming sometimes from guys in Mags, Books, winning or competing in the more higher profile Shows, Judging at big Shows, Travelling around the country digging, along with some who have pictures of Dogs all over here!........I think I do quite well keeping "myself to myself" ....lol. A bit like nobody has ever heard of 'The Dealer'....lmao.

 

Who is "The Dealer"?

 

He had a dog named Jake and a cat called Kalamazoo.

 

 

Likey.

 

[Lutra Lutra 611]

My reply to your question Foxy, to be totally honest I have never had the interest or inclination to delve into certain titles of today; due to the simple factor that some of the so-called Authors do decidely bend the truth somewhat in order to prosper for their often inflated ego or for financial gain. Before the scathing attacks from anyone who disagrees,please ask yourself one simple question. How many of those Authors have actually done what they say they have? Wirralcountryman summed it up about the man called Plummer taking information from the guys who had undoubtedly seen more than he ever had. Do our readers agree?My views regarding books are quite simple; I want to pick up a book which is a mine of information, not merely a picture book with (Rupert the Bear adventures) ! Sorry Foxy, I do recollect picking up a certain title by J. Darcy, is it titled 'Dig deep throw well back'?If my memory serves me well I think that book contained mainly photographs of the terrier men, their terriers and the digs also. It is merely an opinion of mine based correctly I think on fact. I also think many lads on this forum will agree with my honest opinions and statements. Plummer got so much publicity about his books because he knew intelligently which obvious buttons to press. i.e. 'Stir the S...t ! I honesly don't know what the lads on here think also about certain ludicrous titles!

Of course I do realise that the books of the past are mainly of Historic information aimed at the reader. However, certain books do still draw my attention to them......

I have 2 1st edition copies of the Lucas books, The Sealyham terrier not dated and The New book of the Sealyham, 1929. Both well balanced books due to a mixture of black and white photos and a certain amount of added literature. There is also a quaint little book called the terriers vocation by Geoffrey Sparrow. Has any of the lads read the book or familiar with such a title? Phil Drabble was an excellent writer but he didn't do the hunting fraternity any favours with his stance on certain 'Varmints' we would consider pests. They are the worst of all, those who possess an indepth knowledge about particular affairs; but then decide it is better on the other side of the fence. 'Again self-interest in the aspects of things'. He had seen the best of times together and with the help from Bert Gripton on certain interests only to Drabble himself.

I would be interested to hear from any of the terrier lads what other sporting interests they have. Also Foxy, when you get the time look up certain books by the sporting Artist Richard Robjent. As I think you are interested in the Keepering also. A book called: The Pheasant in studies, words and pictures. I think you will like it. Also to the terrier men, do you read or collect books about your sporting quarry? A great book which I would personally recommend to all the terrier enthusiasts is The Red Fox, by H.G.Lloyd and published by Batsford.1980. Please let me know your thoughts. Then there are the New Naturalist titles, but some can be really expensive. A very good book called Badgers by Ernist Neal and Chris Cheesman. A mine of information regarding the enigmatic life style of the Badger. I do apologize for my rambles and more than likely many of the guys on here will perhaps have heard of such books. However, it is always a good thing to learn from others and no doubt I will be taught many things by the guys on here. Foxy, I will send some photos in the near future. Good Luck! Lutra Lutra.....

Edited May 26, 2015 by Lutra Lutra

[marshman 7,757]

Lutra Lutra your storming it son ! Lol any man that comes on here and first uses the word " polemic " then today uses a sentence with the words " a quaint little book " in it are all firsts on this Forum I'd wager . The summer might not be so long with you on here lol ?

[Lutra Lutra 611]

Lutra Lutra your storming it son ! Lol any man that comes on here and first uses the word " polemic " then today uses a sentence with the words " a quaint little book " in it are all firsts on this Forum I'd wager . The summer might not be so long with you on here lol

Marshman, you sound like a colour character to me.That has got to be a desirable quality in itself!

[neil cooney 10,416]

I have Sparrows book and Pierce O Connors too, I've also read the book my a Mr Jack Loyds (can't remember his full name) and I've read all of Lucas's books (someone should show David Cameron the photo of badger digging at Chequers, the Prime Ministers country estate) and someone mentioned Gamecocks and Countrymen, a real gem IMO.

Also another publication IMO that is nice to see or pick up regarding terriers is the Yearbooks of the FMWTC. A good insight into the running and dealings of an important organisation.

I always liked Phil Drabble and I do believe he was a true countryman and I was always led to believe he only turned anti badger digging when a new breed of digger started to emerge.

He, like anyone else, was entitled to his opinion.

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

 

 

"I keep myself to myself"...............there's a phrase I have heard and read many times over the years. Coming sometimes from guys in Mags, Books, winning or competing in the more higher profile Shows, Judging at big Shows, Travelling around the country digging, along with some who have pictures of Dogs all over here!........I think I do quite well keeping "myself to myself" ....lol. A bit like nobody has ever heard of 'The Dealer'....lmao.

 

Who is "The Dealer"?

 

He had a dog named Jake and a cat called Kalamazoo.

 

 

Likey.

 

 

She was a Torpedo.

Edited May 23, 2015 by neil cooney

[morton 5,368]

One of the best written and informative books on terriers now as to be Glovers contribution to the Working Bedlington ,if experience and honesty ever played a part in writing he would be head and shoulders above a slug,just.

[neil cooney 10,416]

Morton, I don't know that book but I do know that a while back regarding terrier books there was a BIG vacuum and a few lads tried to fill it.

One of them was J.C. Hobson, who admits to being largely anti terrierwork.

Thankfully after that some decent books came along.

[downsview 448]

Bit hypocritical demanding honesty and yet decrying images of marked up terriers,personally I love a terrier that gets close up and personal scars and working injuries go hand in hand with hard work and getting results we don't all live in country where foxes bolt asap,as for books for me its harcombe or nothing I enjoy his style of writing,funny how its generally jack Russell fans that get on their soap boxes when it comes to hard work and marked up dogs.

[Lutra Lutra 611]

I have Sparrows book and Pierce O Connors too, I've also read the book my a Mr Jack Loyds (can't remember his full name) and I've read all of Lucas's books (someone should show David Cameron the photo of badger digging at Chequers, the Prime Ministers country estate) and someone mentioned Gamecocks and Countrymen, a real gem IMO.

Also another publication IMO that is nice to see or pick up regarding terriers is the Yearbooks of the FMWTC. A good insight into the running and dealings of an important organisation.

I always liked Phil Drabble and I do believe he was a true countryman and I was always led to believe he only turned anti badger digging when a new breed of digger started to emerge.

He, like anyone else, was entitled to his opinion.

Totally agree with you Neil. However, what did annoy myself was that all the things Bert did for him as to the regards of Drabbles Badger project, then Drabble shunned Bert at a country fair because he didn't want to be seen with a terrier man who had previously got him the Badgers for his Nature reserve. What an hypocrite! Also by Drabbles own admission, he, himself played a major part in the down fall of otter hunting and the otter hunting fraternity.

[Onlyworkmatters 1,584]

Whatever the topic I like a honest writer, Phil Lloyd fits the bill for me, Lloyd on lurchers was always my 1st read in the cmw.

[Leeview 791]

I have Sparrows book and Pierce O Connors too, I've also read the book my a Mr Jack Loyds (can't remember his full name) and I've read all of Lucas's books (someone should show David Cameron the photo of badger digging at Chequers, the Prime Ministers country estate) and someone mentioned Gamecocks and Countrymen, a real gem IMO.

Also another publication IMO that is nice to see or pick up regarding terriers is the Yearbooks of the FMWTC. A good insight into the running and dealings of an important organisation.

I always liked Phil Drabble and I do believe he was a true countryman and I was always led to believe he only turned anti badger digging when a new breed of digger started to emerge.

He, like anyone else, was entitled to his opinion.

Your inbox is full again Jack Ivester_Lloyd

Y.I.S Leeview

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

 

 

Totally agree with you Neil. However, what did annoy myself was that all the things Bert did for him as to the regards of Drabbles Badger project, then Drabble shunned Bert at a country fair because he didn't want to be seen with a terrier man who had previously got him the Badgers for his Nature reserve. What an hypocrite! Also by Drabbles own admission, he, himself played a major part in the down fall of otter hunting and the otter hunting fraternity.

 

Facts are,...Bert should have been helped to put a book together...

Back in the day,..book writing was a mystery to most of us,...it seemed to be something that only educated men could achieve. We had no idea where to start,.no concept of Typesetters,Printers, etc.

If only we had known then, what we know now...

 

Gripton,...a great Terrierman....

Edited May 22, 2015 by Phil Lloyd

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

I have Sparrows book and Pierce O Connors too, I've also read the book my a Mr Jack Loyds (can't remember his full name) and I've read all of Lucas's books (someone should show David Cameron the photo of badger digging at Chequers, the Prime Ministers country estate) and someone mentioned Gamecocks and Countrymen, a real gem IMO.

Also another publication IMO that is nice to see or pick up regarding terriers is the Yearbooks of the FMWTC. A good insight into the running and dealings of an important organisation.

I always liked Phil Drabble and I do believe he was a true countryman and I was always led to believe he only turned anti badger digging when a new breed of digger started to emerge.

He, like anyone else, was entitled to his opinion.

Totally agree with you Neil. However, what did annoy myself was that all the things Bert did for him as to the regards of Drabbles Badger project, then Drabble shunned Bert at a country fair because he didn't want to be seen with a terrier man who had previously got him the Badgers for his Nature reserve. What an hypocrite! Also by Drabbles own admission, he, himself played a major part in the down fall of otter hunting and the otter hunting fraternity.

 

There's where my ignorance takes over, I didn't know that.

I always presumed it was the pollution problem and the voluntary ban, end of story.