Just A Thought

[leethedog 3,071]

All the hunting laws and dog licenses here in the states don't solve any of the problems you are looking to solve. If you saw the poor state of our elk beards and deer in the woods you'd scratch your head as to why we have management at all.

A honest question do you think you would be better off with a free for all then?

[Mosby 355]

Elk herds lol

[Mosby 355]

In certain cases yes. In others no. I think we need a different kind of management. I think men hired like game keepers for certain plots of land is possibly the best idea. My friends and I go in circles about this kind of thing. All we know is the current situation is horrible and not effective.

[leethedog 3,071]

Come on Mosby would it be better a free for.all sorry you posted at same time pal

Edited May 14, 2015 by leethedog

[leethedog 3,071]

So if there was no number limit or season or number of licences granted things would be better larger heard so on?

[Mosby 355]

Here's an example of free for all being a good method. Back in the early and mid 1900's predators like bear and cougar were a free for all. This was the age of the greatest hounds men the world has probabably ever known. The hounds men say that there weren't alot of men hunting them besides a few hounds men in each large swath of country. They got paid $50 a head for cougar and made their living that way. That was good money back then. These hounds men made mention that as soon as the dept of fish and wildlife decided to issue licenses everyone and their brother bought one. Because they bought the license they decided they were hounds men and everybody got dogs. This ended the golden age of hounds and the livelihood of the hounds man in the US of A

[leethedog 3,071]

Realy thank you for your direct and honest answer

[Accip74 7,112]

Over here you need a hunting licence to hunt, as I understand it you have to sit a fairly stringent written exam, which covers all types of hunting, quarry species & game management before you can even shoot a gun, obviously if that happened in UK half the game shooters would be without a gun & so not good for business! haha.....

Don't forget, even though it seems harsh in the UK now, it's still one of the most relaxed European country's to hunt in, regarding the law & hunting with dogs/guns.........more legislation would make it even harder & not just for the bellends.....

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Class 1 and 2 ,never heard of that and i own both .The fact a man takes the time and energy to apply and is granted a firearm usually keeps him on the straight and narrow .Anybody achieving a log of bad comments isnt fit to own a water pistol anyway therefore is denied on renewal .Firearms laws are there for a reason .

I thought you would of been a bit more switched on than that,which bit do,nt you get,the classes of firearms or the intelligence file,if you owned both like me then you would probably be co terminus.my older brother had to take the police to court to get his licences back at a cost to him of ten grand after a few complaints of violence and shooting dogs killing his sheep and lambs,there was no witnesses in court and most was found to be hearsay,we both worked the club doors and although I was prosecuted many times for everything up to attempted murder I was never convicted and yet the police would try to block my application,no witnesses again just flimsy statement and hearsay,we have both seen our intelligence files kept by the firearms dept as they had to be produced as evidence,the court was told this is the norm and every person with a licence has one,if you have a grievance say with somebody then they can add to it every day and you would no nothing until your renewal or removal of your licence,if you associate with known criminals then that is the same and seen as poor judgement by yourself and again can be grounds for removal,I could go on and on as I have been licenced since I was 15 and am no stranger to trouble or the legalities of gun ownership, WM

[Blaise 2,324]

In France you have to learn theory (game management, species, law, environment...) and practise (guns, security) before to pass an exam. No problem. It's proved that problems occurs with the older hunters (they never passed the exam).

Edited May 15, 2015 by Blaise

[Blaise 2,324]

Concerning terrier work on badgers in France, you have to be "maître d'équipage" (Master) recognized by AFEVST (association française des équipages de vènerie sous terre).

It need a double agrement :

- certificat de vènerie (hunting certificat) delivered by huntsmen (AFEVST). It's for 6 years. You have to prove your abilities, show your tools, your dogs. You sign a convention concerning respect of game, respect of environment, respect of dogs. If you don't respect, the certificat de vènerie could be removed by AFEVST.

- attestation de meute delivered for the same duration by State. They look at your certificat de vènerie and the first time at your kennel. In fact, attestation de meute give an official value to the certificat de vènerie.

If you haven't these two agrements, you can hunt with a maître d'équipage but never alone.

There's 1500 maitres d'équipage. They elect a board of AFEVST. And we have delegates in each district. Each maître d'équipage have to pay a annual fee (35 €) to AFEVST.

IMO it's a good way. the badger hunt is recognized by law and by State, it's organized 100% by hunters.

Edited May 15, 2015 by Blaise

[Blaise 2,324]

Terriermen (AFEVST) are tougher than police or court concerning badger hunt.

Last year, we found on Facebook a little video with young foxes killed without respect. AFEVST had done his own enquirie. Master has been identified, he said he wasn't aware. The video was published by his nephew (15 years old). AFEVST decide to remove the certificat de vènerie of this master.

We must be exemplary.

[TOPPER 1,809]

WM and the best bit is the police forces in this country are private corporation just like the council etc so what gives them the right to walk around with glocks and mp3 s with no firearms licence yet there quick enough to have a pop at anybody else and there no different and they don t like you knowing there a private company either

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

My point is that having a firearms changes a mans perspective on life if he wishes to keep it .Theres no way i would jeopardise the licence for the sake of a moments hotheadedness and i fully support the police if they need to revoke one .Ive seen the consequences of firearms in the wrong hands ,legally held .

As to a hunting license i would say no ,we have in the main more freedom here than any other country so lets not remove that to the hands of those that would only run in it for gain .

[leethedog 3,071]

Terriermen (AFEVST) are tougher than police or court concerning badger hunt.

 

Last year, we found on Facebook a little video with young foxes killed without respect. AFEVST had done his own enquirie. Master has been identified, he said he wasn't aware. The video was published by his nephew (15 years old). AFEVST decide to remove the certificat de vènerie of this master.

 

We must be exemplary.

A good example of licencing and self policing working for all even the prey thank you