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Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

 

 

The KNPV dogs are still regularly outcrossed with Belgian Mals, GSDs and the odd bull, they don't give a fook about keeping things pure it's all about working ability, just how it should be

[trigger2 3,146]

 

 

Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

 

 

The KNPV dogs are still regularly outcrossed with Belgian Mals, GSDs and the odd bull, they don't give a fook about keeping things pure it's all about working ability, just how it should be

 

they are cracking little dogs theres no doubt about that

 

[keepdiggin 9,561]

interesting breed not for me though.

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

 

Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

 

 

The KNPV dogs are still regularly outcrossed with Belgian Mals, GSDs and the odd bull, they don't give a fook about keeping things pure it's all about working ability, just how it should be

 

they are cracking little dogs theres no doubt about that

 

 

 

That's some chest on that dog would really like to see how a 1st x dutch x grey would turn out.

[gnipper 6,531]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

thats not really what patrol dogs are for,it's to deter and restrain.

 

a lot wont take a beating for anyone,a good mate had a very scary looking dog that was ruined after years of work because of a well placed boot to the head.

 

but if you think in terms of defence drive and prey drive,the dogs defence drive isnt going to disappear if it gets sold and of course its prey drive will stay as well,so i dont see why not.

Thats what i was getting at.....surely these dogs must have a certain amount of loyalty to do what they do.......but then they cant be loyal to everyone ....i get the drive stays regardless who owns it,but dogs being flesh and blood there must be an element of bonding required to take a beating as part of " work "

 

Cant say as ive ever wanted the responsibility of a guard dog myself you dont have to feed or exercise sophisticated home security systems

true , was out last night about 7 30pm and seen what looked like French mastiff , ok it looked mean but the big fat thing looked like it would never see xmas , it could just about walk. I had chat told her I had bull mastiffs in the early 80s , and they were going like her dog very unfit animals . Buck jumped over a 5 bar gate followed by bryn after a rabbit, the woman was in shock lol more so with Buck, she didn't think a big dog like him would be so agile, I said he 1x gsd x grey he crap guard dog lol, but he catch you couple dinners , and out live your dog by good 5-6 years . I told her I got security lights and a rounder's bat lol , Buck no good as he would think he going lamping if anybody came round at night

Does Bryn not guard? I'm very surprised you have a gsd and collie cross and neither of them are good guards.

no mate, neither of them guard, and to be honest I was like you in that thinking. I don't know really why, maybe both have picked up the greyhound's temp, as both are 1x's . Bryn is 1x collie x grey, and Buck is 1x gsd x grey . funny thing as well both have similar temps very sensitive / wimpy , and Bryn never barked and Buck next door to him, so maybe he thinks he aint got to either .lol I had Buck ,because I didn't want another temp like Bryn got, as from what ive been told gd xs are more grittier=guts temp than collie xs, but feckin Buck the same , the only difference suppose is that Buck bit more full on his quarry and Bryn not, and that about it .

I wonder if it was to do with where they were kenneled or something which stopped them feeling the need to guard rather than taking to the greyhound? The greyhounds at our local kennels go mad at visitors.

This collie grey of mine is a good guard and is a wary fecker with strangers when out and about too. He's worse with visitors when I'm out like he's protecting the missus and kids for me.

[leegreen 2,197]

 

a schutzhund I dog of any breeding is a much bigger achievement imo

 

wouldn't have the patience and dedication personally but admire those who do.

 

But would you sell the pups off it as bred from tried & tested workers? At the end of the day until a dog has actually WORKED in real life situations for a good few years you can't call it tested. It might take a lot of dedication to train to that level but when the chips were down I know which I'd prefer to have at my side if the choice was between a sleeve-obsessed titled Schtz dog and a real-world trained and tested PPD/SecurityDog

 

So what is a tried and tested PPD/Security dog then?

[mushroom 13,226]

Yorkie

[bird 9,970]

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Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

thats not really what patrol dogs are for,it's to deter and restrain.

a lot wont take a beating for anyone,a good mate had a very scary looking dog that was ruined after years of work because of a well placed boot to the head.

but if you think in terms of defence drive and prey drive,the dogs defence drive isnt going to disappear if it gets sold and of course its prey drive will stay as well,so i dont see why not.

Thats what i was getting at.....surely these dogs must have a certain amount of loyalty to do what they do.......but then they cant be loyal to everyone ....i get the drive stays regardless who owns it,but dogs being flesh and blood there must be an element of bonding required to take a beating as part of " work "

Cant say as ive ever wanted the responsibility of a guard dog myself you dont have to feed or exercise sophisticated home security systems

true , was out last night about 7 30pm and seen what looked like French mastiff , ok it looked mean but the big fat thing looked like it would never see xmas , it could just about walk. I had chat told her I had bull mastiffs in the early 80s , and they were going like her dog very unfit animals . Buck jumped over a 5 bar gate followed by bryn after a rabbit, the woman was in shock lol more so with Buck, she didn't think a big dog like him would be so agile, I said he 1x gsd x grey he crap guard dog lol, but he catch you couple dinners , and out live your dog by good 5-6 years . I told her I got security lights and a rounder's bat lol , Buck no good as he would think he going lamping if anybody came round at night

Does Bryn not guard? I'm very surprised you have a gsd and collie cross and neither of them are good guards.

no mate, neither of them guard, and to be honest I was like you in that thinking. I don't know really why, maybe both have picked up the greyhound's temp, as both are 1x's . Bryn is 1x collie x grey, and Buck is 1x gsd x grey . funny thing as well both have similar temps very sensitive / wimpy , and Bryn never barked and Buck next door to him, so maybe he thinks he aint got to either .lol I had Buck ,because I didn't want another temp like Bryn got, as from what ive been told gd xs are more grittier=guts temp than collie xs, but feckin Buck the same , the only difference suppose is that Buck bit more full on his quarry and Bryn not, and that about it .

I wonder if it was to do with where they were kenneled or something which stopped them feeling the need to guard rather than taking to the greyhound? The greyhounds at our local kennels go mad at visitors.
This collie grey of mine is a good guard and is a wary fecker with strangers when out and about too. He's worse with visitors when I'm out like he's protecting the missus and kids for me.

 

not really sure, my set up is at he side of my property , but Bryn never shown any aggression to people in 8 years, he like people even strangers lol.And I know why Buck the same ,because he is totally( orientated )=bonded to Bryn, he never does any thing from is own mind if Bryn there, he follows him and watches him 24/7, so what ever Bryn does he will do the same. the only time he acts different if he not with him. As I said out in the field Buck a lot different in the hunting mode he very full on, his temp changes then

[bird 9,970]

 

 

 

 

Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

 

 

The KNPV dogs are still regularly outcrossed with Belgian Mals, GSDs and the odd bull, they don't give a fook about keeping things pure it's all about working ability, just how it should be

 

they are cracking little dogs theres no doubt about that

 

 

 

That's some chest on that dog would really like to see how a 1st x dutch x grey would turn out.

 

I reckon they be hell of a lurcher, very good dog for any quarry, my dog 1x gsd x grey Buck as a hunting dog been spot on . the dutch herder are very switched on type dog, more so than your norm gsd dog , with 1/2 dutch herder in there, I think you get a dog up for anything and,prob be bit more agile as there smaller than gsd's, they like bel mals but a stronger alround type dog . ive been happy with Buck, I think you get a dog as good him or better with1x dutch herder x grey

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Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

 

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

The KNPV dogs are still regularly outcrossed with Belgian Mals, GSDs and the odd bull, they don't give a fook about keeping things pure it's all about working ability, just how it should be

they are cracking little dogs theres no doubt about that

 

That's some chest on that dog would really like to see how a 1st x dutch x grey would turn out.

I reckon they be hell of a lurcher, very good dog for any quarry, my dog 1x gsd x grey Buck as a hunting dog been spot on . the dutch herder are very switched on type dog, more so than your norm gsd dog , with 1/2 dutch herder in there, I think you get a dog up for anything and,prob be bit more agile as there smaller than gsd's, they like bel mals but a stronger alround type dog . ive been happy with Buck, I think you get a dog as good him or better with1x dutch herder x grey

Wasn't Hairydave's a first x dutch herder?

[trigger2 3,146]

 

 

 

 

Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

 

 

The KNPV dogs are still regularly outcrossed with Belgian Mals, GSDs and the odd bull, they don't give a fook about keeping things pure it's all about working ability, just how it should be

 

they are cracking little dogs theres no doubt about that

 

 

 

That's some chest on that dog would really like to see how a 1st x dutch x grey would turn out.

 

if all goes to plan then there will be a litter on the ground sometime next year. i will put the best greyhound dog i can get my hands on over her and see what happens.

[lukey 1,621]

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

Gnash iv never really thought much of them but last year I was at my bosses sisters house, her and her husband have silly money, and he paid I'm sure it was 10k for a young dog trained to protect his wife and kids, and the dog took orders from him and the nanny, he always tests the dog every time his best mate goes round iv not seen it happen but boss did once n said it was a shame for the guy lol, dog goes all over the place with them and keeps a close eye on the kids at all times soon as anyone goes near he's right on it waiting for a command I think

[bird 9,970]

 

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

Gnash iv never really thought much of them but last year I was at my bosses sisters house, her and her husband have silly money, and he paid I'm sure it was 10k for a young dog trained to protect his wife and kids, and the dog took orders from him and the nanny, he always tests the dog every time his best mate goes round iv not seen it happen but boss did once n said it was a shame for the guy lol, dog goes all over the place with them and keeps a close eye on the kids at all times soon as anyone goes near he's right on it waiting for a command I think

 

what breed was it .?

[gnasher16 30,425]

 

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

Gnash iv never really thought much of them but last year I was at my bosses sisters house, her and her husband have silly money, and he paid I'm sure it was 10k for a young dog trained to protect his wife and kids, and the dog took orders from him and the nanny, he always tests the dog every time his best mate goes round iv not seen it happen but boss did once n said it was a shame for the guy lol, dog goes all over the place with them and keeps a close eye on the kids at all times soon as anyone goes near he's right on it waiting for a command I think

 

I dont get that maybe as a family they just have a love for dogs which is fair enough and it kills 2 birds with 1 stone .......but purely for security wealthy folk go for close protection id rather have a trained man than a trained dog protecting my family personally.......but yes i can see the logic to a well trained dog

[lukey 1,621]

Tbh mate I think it's maybe more of a show of wealth, the kids wife ect show no intrest in the dog though.

 

And bird it was an Alsatian kinda dog or similar I didn't look at it too long lol