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[forest of dean redneck 11,707]

I couldn't own a dog I'd need a horse poop a scoop,to clean up after it,and then feeding it, if I needed a dog as a deterrent I'd find a decent collie or collie x gsd.

Now days ,living in town ,with nothing worth nicking,I just need a yapper which the Lhasa does,lol

[bird 9,970]

I couldn't own a dog I'd need a horse poop a scoop,to clean up after it,and then feeding it, if I needed a dog as a deterrent I'd find a decent collie or collie x gsd.

Now days ,living in town ,with nothing worth nicking,I just need a yapper which the Lhasa does,lol

same here really aint got feck all to pinch here either lol, ive said many time some of the farms ive gone round trying to get permission , ive been greeted by either nasty collie or collie x gsd , last one I seen was on chain big black fecker that would rip you to pieces no prob, he loost it off at night went round early to ask the farmer , and this black twat tried to get me had to get in me car quick lol 75lb of teeth at you no joke . there are a lot of big mastiff type dogs out there as guards , like said about the other dogs on the post, I like the alano's but one of them set you back 600-900£ and prob no healthy or better guard than that black gsd x collie that tried to near kill the once lol, and prob get one from the local pound for 45 £ quid lol.

[dare 1,103]

Some bloke in the field today was walking towards me. Thought he was a tramp, purely because he had such a long beard. Stick that in your pipe beard growers lol. Anyway he got near and had a lovely old gsd x collie. Wasnt too tall n not sure if it was the coat on it but it looked big enough to avoid it. Was friendly as anything with my dog though and "the tramp" lives in probably the biggest house in the area lol. Said to him he looks like something out of sons of anarchy.

[gnasher16 30,341]

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

Edited May 12, 2015 by gnasher16

[keepdiggin 9,561]

the dogs can be sold\exchanged and often do so for serious money. I agree to an extent about it being childish unless the dog is working in security\police or army. Allowing anybody to have a trained attack dog is dangerous and I wonder how many end up in the wrong hands.

[bird 9,970]

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

not really sure gnash , but if somebody really wanted to break in your place, a dog wouldn't stop them mate. I think couple years back some scum boke in to blokes place when he was down the pub with his mrs, he had 2 rottites there came back 2 dead dogs been shot. all you need mate is a dog that will bark if it bites as well like collies/ gsd's the done there job. I was done over years back , they broke in when me+ wife were at work, son was at school, me lurchers were in kennel+run at the back, but they lick you to death anyway lol. I asked the cid bloke if I had a big guard breed like rottie ,mastiff etc. would it have mad any difference , he said no they find away to get past the dog, and he said you better of with little jack terrier they kick up noise and less to feed , less dog shit . I think he was right mate, but feck all to pinch now me son+mrs had most of me money now .lol

[keepdiggin 9,561]

There was an akita years ago that use to guard a warehouse on an industrial estate not far from Chesterfield, to get past the dog they chucked a greyhound over the fence so as the akita was smashing the greyhound all over they were free to take what they wanted.

[neems 2,406]

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

 

thats not really what patrol dogs are for,it's to deter and restrain.

 

a lot wont take a beating for anyone,a good mate had a very scary looking dog that was ruined after years of work because of a well placed boot to the head.

 

but if you think in terms of defence drive and prey drive,the dogs defence drive isnt going to disappear if it gets sold and of course its prey drive will stay as well,so i dont see why not.

[gnasher16 30,341]

 

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

 

thats not really what patrol dogs are for,it's to deter and restrain.

 

a lot wont take a beating for anyone,a good mate had a very scary looking dog that was ruined after years of work because of a well placed boot to the head.

 

but if you think in terms of defence drive and prey drive,the dogs defence drive isnt going to disappear if it gets sold and of course its prey drive will stay as well,so i dont see why not.

 

Thats what i was getting at.....surely these dogs must have a certain amount of loyalty to do what they do.......but then they cant be loyal to everyone ....i get the drive stays regardless who owns it,but dogs being flesh and blood there must be an element of bonding required to take a beating as part of " work "

 

Cant say as ive ever wanted the responsibility of a guard dog myself you dont have to feed or exercise sophisticated home security systems

[neems 2,406]

 

 

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

 

thats not really what patrol dogs are for,it's to deter and restrain.

 

a lot wont take a beating for anyone,a good mate had a very scary looking dog that was ruined after years of work because of a well placed boot to the head.

 

but if you think in terms of defence drive and prey drive,the dogs defence drive isnt going to disappear if it gets sold and of course its prey drive will stay as well,so i dont see why not.

 

Thats what i was getting at.....surely these dogs must have a certain amount of loyalty to do what they do.......but then they cant be loyal to everyone ....i get the drive stays regardless who owns it,but dogs being flesh and blood there must be an element of bonding required to take a beating as part of " work "

 

Cant say as ive ever wanted the responsibility of a guard dog myself you dont have to feed or exercise sophisticated home security systems

 

 

the thing is mate its a legal way to 'work' a dog that's actually exciting,theres not many of them left.

[bird 9,970]

 

 

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

 

thats not really what patrol dogs are for,it's to deter and restrain.

 

a lot wont take a beating for anyone,a good mate had a very scary looking dog that was ruined after years of work because of a well placed boot to the head.

 

but if you think in terms of defence drive and prey drive,the dogs defence drive isnt going to disappear if it gets sold and of course its prey drive will stay as well,so i dont see why not.

 

Thats what i was getting at.....surely these dogs must have a certain amount of loyalty to do what they do.......but then they cant be loyal to everyone ....i get the drive stays regardless who owns it,but dogs being flesh and blood there must be an element of bonding required to take a beating as part of " work "

 

Cant say as ive ever wanted the responsibility of a guard dog myself you dont have to feed or exercise sophisticated home security systems

 

true , was out last night about 7 30pm and seen what looked like French mastiff , ok it looked mean but the big fat thing looked like it would never see xmas , it could just about walk. I had chat told her I had bull mastiffs in the early 80s , and they were going like her dog very unfit animals . Buck jumped over a 5 bar gate followed by bryn after a rabbit, the woman was in shock lol more so with Buck, she didn't think a big dog like him would be so agile, I said he 1x gsd x grey he crap guard dog lol, but he catch you couple dinners , and out live your dog by good 5-6 years . I told her I got security lights and a rounder's bat lol , Buck no good as he would think he going lamping if anybody came round at night

[YOKEL 2,288]

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

i used to be pally with a keeper over norwich way a good few yrs back, used to do a bit of terrier work and the like together. anyway, he wanted a big old guard dog for around the place as he was in the arsehole of nowhere, mrs and kid about etc...off he went down to wales one day, to some professional K9 Guard dog trainer to spend a fair old wad on a fully guard/attack trained rotty. had to spend the day with the handler to be shown all the moves and what have you....then it was dog in the back of the hi lux for the long drive home...when he got back, he parked up, walked to the back of the truck to be greeted by an absolute f***ing liability of a dog, he couldn't get it out, it was going nuts at the door and his nerves got the better of him lol. so the very expensive hound was left over night to cool down...think he managed to get it out the next day and chucked it in the out house sharpish....funny as...

Yokel

[gnipper 6,526]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

thats not really what patrol dogs are for,it's to deter and restrain.

 

a lot wont take a beating for anyone,a good mate had a very scary looking dog that was ruined after years of work because of a well placed boot to the head.

 

but if you think in terms of defence drive and prey drive,the dogs defence drive isnt going to disappear if it gets sold and of course its prey drive will stay as well,so i dont see why not.

Thats what i was getting at.....surely these dogs must have a certain amount of loyalty to do what they do.......but then they cant be loyal to everyone ....i get the drive stays regardless who owns it,but dogs being flesh and blood there must be an element of bonding required to take a beating as part of " work "

 

Cant say as ive ever wanted the responsibility of a guard dog myself you dont have to feed or exercise sophisticated home security systems

true , was out last night about 7 30pm and seen what looked like French mastiff , ok it looked mean but the big fat thing looked like it would never see xmas , it could just about walk. I had chat told her I had bull mastiffs in the early 80s , and they were going like her dog very unfit animals . Buck jumped over a 5 bar gate followed by bryn after a rabbit, the woman was in shock lol more so with Buck, she didn't think a big dog like him would be so agile, I said he 1x gsd x grey he crap guard dog lol, but he catch you couple dinners , and out live your dog by good 5-6 years . I told her I got security lights and a rounder's bat lol , Buck no good as he would think he going lamping if anybody came round at night

Does Bryn not guard? I'm very surprised you have a gsd and collie cross and neither of them are good guards.

[trigger2 3,146]

Can't see the Dutch herder going the same way as gsds and mals, their breed club is top notch really focusing on working ability, they even allow certain outcrosses from time to time to bring fresh blood in (they've had a fair bit of bulldog infused over the years, where the brindle comes from).

i didnt realise that. i looked into them not to long ago as i thought they would make me a decent working lurcher if crossed with a grey. i have read that there is sometimes gsd blood added to them very occasonally at times but have never seen any mention of bull blood being added to them.

[bird 9,970]

 

 

 

 

Ive never really had a lot of time for all this guard/protection dogs malarky most of it looks a load of ol bollocks dogs biting pieces of material held by men pretending to hit it with canes and be the baddies it all seems a bit childish to me......im just curious to know though....once a dog is " trained " in protection or whatever...is that dog expected to take a beating for a stranger the same as it would its owner ?......in other words,can they ever be sold/change hands ?

thats not really what patrol dogs are for,it's to deter and restrain.

 

a lot wont take a beating for anyone,a good mate had a very scary looking dog that was ruined after years of work because of a well placed boot to the head.

 

but if you think in terms of defence drive and prey drive,the dogs defence drive isnt going to disappear if it gets sold and of course its prey drive will stay as well,so i dont see why not.

Thats what i was getting at.....surely these dogs must have a certain amount of loyalty to do what they do.......but then they cant be loyal to everyone ....i get the drive stays regardless who owns it,but dogs being flesh and blood there must be an element of bonding required to take a beating as part of " work "

 

Cant say as ive ever wanted the responsibility of a guard dog myself you dont have to feed or exercise sophisticated home security systems

true , was out last night about 7 30pm and seen what looked like French mastiff , ok it looked mean but the big fat thing looked like it would never see xmas , it could just about walk. I had chat told her I had bull mastiffs in the early 80s , and they were going like her dog very unfit animals . Buck jumped over a 5 bar gate followed by bryn after a rabbit, the woman was in shock lol more so with Buck, she didn't think a big dog like him would be so agile, I said he 1x gsd x grey he crap guard dog lol, but he catch you couple dinners , and out live your dog by good 5-6 years . I told her I got security lights and a rounder's bat lol , Buck no good as he would think he going lamping if anybody came round at night

Does Bryn not guard? I'm very surprised you have a gsd and collie cross and neither of them are good guards.

 

no mate, neither of them guard, and to be honest I was like you in that thinking. I don't know really why, maybe both have picked up the greyhound's temp, as both are 1x's . Bryn is 1x collie x grey, and Buck is 1x gsd x grey . funny thing as well both have similar temps very sensitive / wimpy , and Bryn never barked and Buck next door to him, so maybe he thinks he aint got to either .lol I had Buck ,because I didn't want another temp like Bryn got, as from what ive been told gd xs are more grittier=guts temp than collie xs, but feckin Buck the same , the only difference suppose is that Buck bit more full on his quarry and Bryn not, and that about it .