dare 1,103 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Do even the working lines suffer with health problems? American bulldog being put down due to hip displasia put me off ever owning a large breed. Them boerboels i mentioned are tempting though lol just watched em. Big dogs but still seem fit and not carrying a silly amount of weight. If i was running the country crufts every dog would have to do the job it was bred dog. Wed all watch these big guard breeds go at it with convicted peados and points awarded to who gets the job done the quickest lol. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Do even the working lines suffer with health problems? American bulldog being put down due to hip displasia put me off ever owning a large breed. Them boerboels i mentioned are tempting though lol just watched em. Big dogs but still seem fit and not carrying a silly amount of weight. If i was running the country crufts every dog would have to do the job it was bred dog. Wed all watch these big guard breeds go at it with convicted peados and points awarded to who gets the job done the quickest lol. Best way to get a big dog that doesn't suffer with joint problems is to go to a breeder that does the full health tests on their breeding stock (hip score etc). There's a couple of ABD and Boerboel breeders over here that health test all their stock and also "work" them (just silly schutzhund stuff not real work) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lusitano 294 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 The fila brasileiro was created from the dogs taken to Brazil by the Portuguese, like the now extinct fila da Terceira and the fila de Sao Miguel. The original fila brasileiro prior mastiff and bloodhound blood being added looked a lot more like the Cimarron uruguayo which also descends from the same Portuguese dogs, today's fila brasileiro comes in two types registered with 2 different registries. 1 registry breeds a more heavier overdone show type and the other is trying to continue to breed capable working dogs but if you visited places like minas gerais you could find good working dogs that look like today's Cimarron uriguayo and fila de Sao Miguel still working on farms driving cattle, hunting and guarding their owners farms. Fila for people that don't know was just the term used by the Portuguese to describe Presa type dogs, and they used the term alao to describe Alaunt/Alano type dogs. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Do even the working lines suffer with health problems? American bulldog being put down due to hip displasia put me off ever owning a large breed. Them boerboels i mentioned are tempting though lol just watched em. Big dogs but still seem fit and not carrying a silly amount of weight. If i was running the country crufts every dog would have to do the job it was bred dog. Wed all watch these big guard breeds go at it with convicted peados and points awarded to who gets the job done the quickest lol. Best way to get a big dog that doesn't suffer with joint problems is to go to a breeder that does the full health tests on their breeding stock (hip score etc). There's a couple of ABD and Boerboel breeders over here that health test all their stock and also "work" them (just silly schutzhund stuff not real work) how many schutzhund titled dogs have you got? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Do even the working lines suffer with health problems? American bulldog being put down due to hip displasia put me off ever owning a large breed. Them boerboels i mentioned are tempting though lol just watched em. Big dogs but still seem fit and not carrying a silly amount of weight. If i was running the country crufts every dog would have to do the job it was bred dog. Wed all watch these big guard breeds go at it with convicted peados and points awarded to who gets the job done the quickest lol. Best way to get a big dog that doesn't suffer with joint problems is to go to a breeder that does the full health tests on their breeding stock (hip score etc). There's a couple of ABD and Boerboel breeders over here that health test all their stock and also "work" them (just silly schutzhund stuff not real work) how many schutzhund titled dogs have you got? Don't get your back up I wasn't insulting real competive Szhutzhund but at the end of the day it's just a sport/game not real work like say a security dog or police/military K9 and most of these ABD/Boerboel breeders don't even title their dogs, they're certainly not getting their SchH3. As for titled dogs I've owned, well none because I actually work the dogs I own not play games with them. If you asked how many professional working security dogs I've owned though? Well that's a different matter and the answer is 4 Edited May 11, 2015 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 a schutzhund I dog of any breeding is a much bigger achievement imo wouldn't have the patience and dedication personally but admire those who do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) a schutzhund I dog of any breeding is a much bigger achievement imo wouldn't have the patience and dedication personally but admire those who do. But would you sell the pups off it as bred from tried & tested workers? At the end of the day until a dog has actually WORKED in real life situations for a good few years you can't call it tested. It might take a lot of dedication to train to that level but when the chips were down I know which I'd prefer to have at my side if the choice was between a sleeve-obsessed titled Schtz dog and a real-world trained and tested PPD/SecurityDog Edited May 11, 2015 by BGD 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,561 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Do even the working lines suffer with health problems? American bulldog being put down due to hip displasia put me off ever owning a large breed. Them boerboels i mentioned are tempting though lol just watched em. Big dogs but still seem fit and not carrying a silly amount of weight. If i was running the country crufts every dog would have to do the job it was bred dog. Wed all watch these big guard breeds go at it with convicted peados and points awarded to who gets the job done the quickest lol. easier to get a well bred ambull then a Boerboel over here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I would like a big dog but id also like a yard of 30 staffs and a kennel hand lol its just a dream. I just really like this womans boerboels. Most larger breeds it seems the owners struggle to keep in shape? or think a fat dog means a bigger looking dog. I just prefer more a fitter more agile looking dog. Im sure a huge boerboel be it a fat f****r or not puts people off. Over here only breeder ive had a look at over here had some nice dogs. Others i thought looked as if they carried too much weight for their height. Looks means sod all though and sure theyd have no problem taking care of a scumbag. So come on then whos importing a rare fila and gonna be charging a grand a pup on gumtree.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 a schutzhund I dog of any breeding is a much bigger achievement imo wouldn't have the patience and dedication personally but admire those who do. But would you sell the pups off it as bred from tried & tested workers? At the end of the day until a dog has actually WORKED in real life situations for a good few years you can't call it tested. It might take a lot of dedication to train to that level but when the chips were down I know which I'd prefer to have at my side if the choice was between a sleeve-obsessed titled Schtz dog and a real-world trained and tested PPD/SecurityDog i'd take a schutzhund I dog with good nerves,who has been tested in controlled reality based situations over the average security dog any day,half the time those are the dogs that didn't make the grade as sport dogs. the only fault in sport bred dogs is they don't always have good nerve imo,but the same can be said probably more so for the non sport bred counterparts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Most arent going to need a dog that does anything than look the part right? What is it with some dogs seeming to just want the sleeve? Its like a game of tug rather than putting the dog in a situation where it needs to do its jobs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Where does the average security dog actually get to do anything? Africa? Haha........genuine question, I just would of thought these shutzhund dogs are a little more active...... But my knowledge of such things is virtually zero, but I'd be interested to know:-) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
offtheradar 175 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Most arent going to need a dog that does anything than look the part right? What is it with some dogs seeming to just want the sleeve? Its like a game of tug rather than putting the dog in a situation where it needs to do its jobs. There are plenty of ' sport' dogs that will not bite if the agitator doesn't have his sleeve or suit on. Schutzhund is a points driven sport where the flashy performers win, I think that's why the Malinois scores point over the GSD because it is lighter built and more agile but for real life day to day living I need a more defence driven dog than the super high prey driven that you see in competition now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Most arent going to need a dog that does anything than look the part right? What is it with some dogs seeming to just want the sleeve? Its like a game of tug rather than putting the dog in a situation where it needs to do its jobs. There are plenty of ' sport' dogs that will not bite if the agitator doesn't have his sleeve or suit on. Schutzhund is a points driven sport where the flashy performers win, I think that's why the Malinois scores point over the GSD because it is lighter built and more agile but for real life day to day living I need a more defence driven dog than the super high prey driven that you see in competition now.I've tried to a bit of civil agitation with a good number of sports dogs and so many of them have stood there looking dumb while I agitate but get the sleeve out and they're like demons barking and snapping on the end of the lead. Like you I prefer a defensive dog with better situational awareness not one that takes all its cues from equipment and carefully choreographed routines Edited May 12, 2015 by BGD 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Is it not enough to just have a dogs loyality? I mean if i brought a boerboel and while out on a walk i got attacked...if the dog done f**k all i would have no dog. Never felt i need a dog to protect me or anything though to be honest. Can understand people having em to stop their other dogs being stolen though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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