Lifting The Ban

[DEERMAN 1,018]

What I am trying to get across is yes we could get the ban repealed and be happy and hunters can carry on as they have and live happily ever after, OR the publicity such a campaign would generate could have the opposite effect and things would be a lot, lot worse and if that was to happen then God help everybody who enjoys all fieldsports.

Getting a lot of posts on my facebook about Cameron bringing back foxhunting and support the ban bollacks , with pictures of cuddly foxes ,and these are not hardcore Antis just ill informed people who know nothing of the countryside

[desertbred 5,490]

The ramifications have beeb considered by many since the ban was first thought off ,W hy were certain forms of hunting allowed to continue under the act simple because it was easier to divide and conquer than take on the whole hunting fraternity. Do you honestly believe that the Lacs, antis Rspca will be satisfied as the law stands ? they want the whole pie fishing shooting horse racing ferreting greyhound racing 3 day eventing deer stalking everything banned surely you cant be nieve enough to think things like the status quo are going to remain.

[Gareth12 225]

Exactly and educating these people is something that is going to take time and unity! Not some rushed, half arsed effort and money. Hunters need to be in this for a the long haul and do it properly, with marches, school vists, and a prolonged media campaign showing the benefits and real value of real hunters! This particular battle will be won or lost educating the next generation and the undecided majority! Not rushing into a vote in parliment which at this time in my opinion would be lost.

[mad4it 694]

i hope that the ban gets lifted and things go back to the way they where before the ban it would be great to do what we been doing for years without having to look over your shoulder, but as said it might be lifted with restrictions in place,

every one that partake in any fieldsports need to unite and not bitch about other fieldsports. horseracing owes a lot to hunting so does greyhound racing, if/when there is another march in/to london i will be there.

As said we need a comitte to start the ball rolling so how about JDacey,mr loyld, skycat or even vinny jones

plus write to our mps.

[desertbred 5,490]

Exactly and educating these people is something that is going to take time and unity! Not some rushed, half arsed effort and money. Hunters need to be in this for a the long haul and do it properly, with marches, school vists, and a prolonged media campaign showing the benefits and real value of real hunters! This particular battle will be won or lost educating the next generation and the undecided majority! Not rushing into a vote in parliment which at this time in my opinion would be lost.

 

We want repeal not a vote simple the legality of the methods used to introduce the statute has to be challenged. There are more non hunters in the country than hunters fact so when would you envisage a vote being positive ? Educating people is a lot harder than you think, face book and its participants is the perfect example. If the next working lad with no permissions cant take his kids hunting how is their going to be a next generation unless you mean grouse and pheasant shooters that are allowed to do it on daddies estates, There is division right through hunting and no amount of talking will change that it has been present since men were transported to Australia for catching a rabbit or hung for poaching a deer in the Kings forest. or fined a thousand pound , car crushed and banned from driving for letting a dog run a hare. People have more pressing issues in their daily lives that is understandable. Nothing is ever given on a plate but this is a fight worth fighting and it can be won that depends on people commitment and loyalty.

Edited May 13, 2015 by desertbred

[Gareth12 225]

Committee is a great idea, hunting needs to be publicised over time in a positive light. Take school kids out to see the hounds working a trail, visit schools with ferreting dogs. Teach the benefits of controlling the numbers of pests in a humane way. Have hunters on the news and question time type programmes showing well trained, well behaved dogs working.

All fieldports need one concerted unified campaing, hunting with dogs, hounds, coursing, fishermen, falconry, shooting all need to get together and promote responsible hunting show the lacs and anti's interupting legal hunts and the damage they cause to decent people, and it will take time, but hunting needs to play the anti's and the lacs at their own game.

[mad4it 694]

Committee is a great idea, hunting needs to be publicised over time in a positive light. Take school kids out to see the hounds working a trail, visit schools with ferreting dogs. Teach the benefits of controlling the numbers of pests in a humane way. Have hunters on the news and question time type programmes showing well trained, well behaved dogs working.

All fieldports need one concerted unified campaing, hunting with dogs, hounds, coursing, fishermen, falconry, shooting all need to get together and promote responsible hunting show the lacs and anti's interupting legal hunts and the damage they cause to decent people, and it will take time, but hunting needs to play the anti's and the lacs at their own game.

i agree with you there

[desertbred 5,490]

Committee is a great idea, hunting needs to be publicised over time in a positive light. Take school kids out to see the hounds working a trail, visit schools with ferreting dogs. Teach the benefits of controlling the numbers of pests in a humane way. Have hunters on the news and question time type programmes showing well trained, well behaved dogs working.

All fieldports need one concerted unified campaing, hunting with dogs, hounds, coursing, fishermen, falconry, shooting all need to get together and promote responsible hunting show the lacs and anti's interupting legal hunts and the damage they cause to decent people, and it will take time, but hunting needs to play the anti's and the lacs at their own game.

 

 

 

I proposed a comitee at the begining of this topic see what the response has been. Do you think schools will participate in ferreting lectures with pets corner in the classroom you will find most people think meat comes fro Tesco that is reality.

Edited May 13, 2015 by desertbred

[trenchfoot 4,243]

There is a committee, Its called the countryside alliance. plus all the other official bodies. Time to really earn their corn

[Gareth12 225]

And that is the problem! I can't see why schools wouldn't allow ferrets, falconry, fishing or well behaved hound or lurcher, especially now with survival and bushcraft type programmes getting more popular on the television perhaps now is the ideal time if it's presented professionally and in the right way I can only see it being a positive. And at least that gives a starting point to work from.

[desertbred 5,490]

The starting point to work from are the Game fairs, hunt meetings, fishing competitions farmers auctions,dog and horse shows field craft demonstrations any group remotely related to countryside pursuits this is where the work needs to be done to galvanise the ones who claim to already be involved in the sport. Unity sadly is the one vital element missing. The f/u im all right jack is amongst us .to many ready for their own reasons to let others move on issues.The education theme sounds utopia but we are now 11 years down this Cul de Sac and what progress has been made from our side any one care to tell me ? the papers and country file are full on a weekly basis the progress the lacs and antis are making. Some one at the start of this post proposed another mass gathering in London by like minded folk nothing has moved beyond the suggestion, this is the summer the out of season time if it cant be rolled out now what are the chances in the so called season.Some one mentioned the country side alliance how many on here are members in fact how many are members of any lobbying groups relating to Country sports activities, The image of trackies ,trainers and redbull is linked with the dog end of these pursuits while shooting is tweeds and tie and hunting to hounds is riding attire the whole persona of the dog end needs to change now not some time in the distant future.With all the talk of the lacs and antis about things being torn apart and rent asunder how long before any type of hunting dog will need to be muzzled in public places already people cross the road if anything bigger than a hand bag dog comes along we are definitely lagging behind.

Edited May 13, 2015 by desertbred

[runem 533]

The ramifications have beeb considered by many since the ban was first thought off ,W hy were certain forms of hunting allowed to continue under the act simple because it was easier to divide and conquer than take on the whole hunting fraternity. Do you honestly believe that the Lacs, antis Rspca will be satisfied as the law stands ? they want the whole pie fishing shooting horse racing ferreting greyhound racing 3 day eventing deer stalking everything banned surely you cant be nieve enough to think things like the status quo are going to remain.

I agree to what you say but on a slightly cynical note if lacs and certain boddies of the rspca where happy with what hunting was banned,they would all be out of a job so as long as some kind of field sports exists they will turn their

attention to banning that.

[desertbred 5,490]

yes they will then once all hunting and country pursuits are gone it will be to ban country music or to ban football as it encourages public disorder the list is endless. RSPCA needs to be cut off from its charity money then the divide and conquer principle is turned on the antis and the lacs. PDSA does a good service of actually caring for and treating animals without a political agenda do we really need the RSPCA who seem to spend most of our time and money persecuting and prosecuting the ones they are supposed to support in animal welfare issues.Remove the commanders and the army soon folds.

Edited May 13, 2015 by desertbred

[runem 533]

yes they will then once all hunting and country pursuits are gone it will be t oban country music or to ban football as it encourages public disorder the list is endless. RSPCA needs to be cut off from its charity money then the divide and conquer principle is turned on the antis and the lacs. PDSA does a good service of actually caring for and treating animals withouT a political agenda do we really need the RSPCA who seem to spend most of our time and money persecuting and prosecuting the ones they are supposed to support in animal welfare issues.Remove the commanders and the army soon folds.

Last night i visited lurcher man who attended the houses of parliament on numerous occasions to argue the case for lurcher hunting and coursing,(to no avail)he seems very upbeat we could could see hunting returned.Its now or never.

[sandymere 8,263]

So we have to accept queers and blacks now to go hunting

I’ve joined a discussion on anther forum, non-hunting, in regard to the ban and there are a number of issues, one it is seen as only being about fox hunting with organised hunts, another is that the general public have very little information about the wider picture especially lurchers. I could get support for lurchers by playing our best cards of it being an effective cropping method that selects for survival of the fittest, has minimal environmental impact and supplies/protects usable local food. It would be nice to link my post to this forum for a little more background but due to a minority it would show us in a very poor light.