Casso 1,261 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Newsboy makes a good point, if 2 dogs are bred for purpose why wouldn't there offspring be as fast if not faster surely it's the purpose the dog is bred for, is what has shaped all the breeds If we take it right back to the start, the dog was only ever bred for use and to facilitate that each breed evolved into a particular shape and temperament best suited to the job at hand , when many of these breeds evolved hundreds of years ago the world was a much smaller place and folks couldn't venture far from home , so you could only really bred from animals in your district so the different breeds developed into what they are today solely on purpose alone , Why can't the lurcher keep evolving on its own ? 1 Quote Link to post
roybo 2,873 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 How long or how many generations do you feel fresh running dog needs to be added? Quote Link to post
BGD 6,436 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 You see the same thing in Bandog breeding, if you don't add pure mastiff every few generations the size starts leveling out and you end up with dogs not much bigger than a big bulldog. Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,089 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I have a line bred pup the line has been going for 37 years don't think any pure has been added and there's plenty of speed in them just beddy grey x beddy grey 11 Quote Link to post
Quarter bull 240 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I have a line bred pup the line has been going for 37 years don't think any pure has been added and there's plenty of speed in them just beddy grey x beddy grey Thumbsup Quote Link to post
fox digger 1,086 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I have a line bred pup the line has been going for 37 years don't think any pure has been added and there's plenty of speed in them just beddy grey x beddy grey Jees id have presumed they were gone back to practically pure beddys at this stage!!! Lol Quote Link to post
sandymere 8,263 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Look on greyhound data for a greyhound bitch, get the odd one free to good home http://www.greyhound-data.com/buydogs.htm?land=ie&x=0&filter_sire=all&g=1&p=0-500&mode= Quote Link to post
NEWSBOY 306 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 How long or how many generations do you feel fresh running dog needs to be added? lurchers are running dog, u can breed lurchers forever useing related and unrelated animals. Quote Link to post
sandymere 8,263 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 The problem with breeding lurcher to lurcher is that people breed from average animals. Compare this to greyhounds; about one in a thousand greyhound dogs will be considered good enough to stand at stud to any amount of bitches and maybe one in a hundred bitches will become broods. This ensures that only the really, really good ones breed and so greyhounds get faster and better at what they do. If lurcher owners were as ruthless in their choices then lurchers would also improve and within a few generations would be a level breed dependent on type. We see something similar in coursing type lurchers today. To be successful in this type of breeding without having to outcross back to a pure then one needs a decent sized gene pool or sooner or later inbreeding can become a problem, and be ready to ensure that like the greyhound breeders, only the very best are used for breeding. By going back to a greyhound, even a flapper, one brings in that really extreme selective genetic s to counter the smaller gene pool and lurcher owner’s tendencies to breed from average animals. With the internet lurcher owners are getting opportunity to find decent lurcher studs from across the country and this may well have a positive impact on future generations. 7 Quote Link to post
NEWSBOY 306 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Some lurcher owners are very ruthless sandy, like the best terriermen/coursing lads, the difference is they are proven in the field, not track. 4 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,089 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Some lurcher owners are very ruthless sandy, like the best terriermen/coursing lads, the difference is they are proven in the field, not track.very true I also have a we bedfy whippet that's been line bred for well over 30 years the guy also works terriers and the person the pup I have also a terrier man Quote Link to post
NEWSBOY 306 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Some lurcher owners are very ruthless sandy, like the best terriermen/coursing lads, the difference is they are proven in the field, not track.very true I also have a we bedfy whippet that's been line bred for well over 30 years the guy also works terriers and the person the pup I have also a terrier man worker to worker, its the best u can do atb. 1 Quote Link to post
nans pat 2,575 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 The problem with breeding lurcher to lurcher is that people breed from average animals. Compare this to greyhounds; about one in a thousand greyhound dogs will be considered good enough to stand at stud to any amount of bitches and maybe one in a hundred bitches will become broods. This ensures that only the really, really good ones breed and so greyhounds get faster and better at what they do. If lurcher owners were as ruthless in their choices then lurchers would also improve and within a few generations would be a level breed dependent on type. We see something similar in coursing type lurchers today. To be successful in this type of breeding without having to outcross back to a pure then one needs a decent sized gene pool or sooner or later inbreeding can become a problem, and be ready to ensure that like the greyhound breeders, only the very best are used for breeding. By going back to a greyhound, even a flapper, one brings in that really extreme selective genetic s to counter the smaller gene pool and lurcher owner’s tendencies to breed from average animals. With the internet lurcher owners are getting opportunity to find decent lurcher studs from across the country and this may well have a positive impact on future generations. thats were the problems can start,,internet lurcher owners,,lot of dogs bigged up then pollute the whole gene pool of running dogs for yrs to come, 2 Quote Link to post
brookie 1,193 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Just buy a proper bred pup, leave the 2nd rate free flappers alone. Not all flapping dogs are second rate fella ...... spot on that .most if not all greyhounds these days will have derby winners etc in their pedigrees and every one of em will have enough speed to bend hare Quote Link to post
mad4it 695 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 have you tired the the greyhound trust they have kennels all over. or greyhound trainers they could be able to tell you where there is one thats about to be retired or have one them selfs. Quote Link to post
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