Casso 1,261 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Interesting that I always felt that a truly grounded confident dog doesn't need to go round pushing his/ her weight around Whereas a dog with issues, a lot of times fear was instilled at some stage will act like an anti Christ at the sight of another dog , it's a case of not been able to deal with how another dog makes it feel , Just on that aggression point I was talking to a successful working German shepherd trainer and he said He will never let juvenile dogs play with adults , he has 5 male working line animals and never has aggression issues , he won't allow nothing but positive interaction, adults whooping on young dogs leave them with a charge which can only come out again as aggression he reckons Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I started replying to your post with this: Very good point that ... about not letting young dogs play with adults. I am very careful on that score, though having bred most of my own, they do get to play with their dams, who teach them manners without any problems that might be incurred when playing with a non-related adult. and then I changed my mind and thought of this ... that when you have a group of dogs, most of whom share common ancestry/breeding/type, pups grow up in a pack situation which in itself instils confidence. Yes, there may sometimes be times when a pup gets told off for not respecting its elders sufficiently, but if, like me, you only keep dogs which do live comfortably as a group, there is never a situation where the pup gets really frightened or hurt. I think that the way my adult dogs bring the pups into their pack is very stabilizing influence. The occasions where there has been a problem have all been (bar one lurcher) when a non-related animal has been brought into my home, as was the case with the bitch in question, although she came as a small pup. Only once have I had to rehome a yearling lurcher bitch I bred because her temperament wasn't conducive to pack life. I guess it is a question of picking the right pups to live in my kind of environment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonah. 775 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 For a shit thread its been a good read so far. Yes, that's the sum total of my contribution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tb25 4,627 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 What do ya think she would have ended up doing penny if she hadn't killed herself , Just a question ,do you think she would have bitten you or someone else because of her social climbing mentality? No, she wasn't 'wrong' in any way towards people, quite the opposite. Ultra obedient, affectionate, cuddly even. Very clever, knew which side her bread was buttered, but with a temper on her you wouldn't believe when it came to other dogs. Everything had to be on her terms: she was very rough in her play even as a pup, but the moment a dog got rough with her in return she flipped and the red mist came down and she acted outraged and trashed the other dog. Not so much that there were bits of dog flying through the air, it was controlled to the extent that it was a lot of noise, snarling, wet scruffs but hardly any punctures. The crazy thing was that the other dogs only retaliated as much as they needed to in order to defend themselves, and were ultra happy to defer to me when I waded in to stop the battle. They knew and abided by the pack rules. Even Schuck, the slightly aloof and feral Airedale lurcher backed when she could have easily killed this bitch. It was as though they all realised this bitch wasn't quite 'normal' in some way. She was kind of autistic in some way regarding normal pack behaviour; like she wanted to be part of the pack, but couldn't either read the situation correctly or didn't want to get with the gang. You never knew how she was going to behave because one minute she would be happy and fine, and the next she had flipped over something as simple as one of the others running up to her to play in a growly happy way: like she couldn't read their intentions properly. sounds like me that ..lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I understand where your coming from and you make a valid point penny concerning you own cosy group of dogs, where a raised tone from you probably sorts everything out ? But,, , he's not dealing with an animal bred to chase small game , in choosing a pup he lookin for the most driven individual in the group, no pup is chosen to fit in , he's picked to win and show fearlessness and aggression when asked, different game different animal , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted May 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Prey drive is prey drive whether it's towards hunting or man work we are all looking for the utmost prey drive ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Not sure the point there soks, drive is drive whether it be a lab swimming for hours in sub zero temp or the focus of a sheepdog to pen a flock of sheep , granted The difference is temperament which is at what scale the dog jumps ship because the resistance is too great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Prey drive is prey drive whether it's towards hunting or man work we are all looking for the utmost prey drive ...... Yes, but surely that prey drive has to be tempered with a certain degree of self preservation and common sense? Prey drive alone makes for a very short life in the running dog. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Prey drive is prey drive whether it's towards hunting or man work we are all looking for the utmost prey drive ...... Yes, but surely that prey drive has to be tempered with a certain degree of self preservation and common sense? Prey drive alone makes for a very short life in the running dog. A big factor in the collie being introduced to the greyhound I would imagine? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huan72 687 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 How old is the pup and do you have a dog that is a confidently dominant dog, it could well be that the pup is slowly asserting dominance through behaviour now so that when she is mature its an easy transition. Just like people a driven dog can try to dominate more chilled dogs and if they are clever they know how to do it without getting chewed up! If she's a naturally dominant dog things should work out ok but if she is starting to assert dominance because she feels she needs to, because the job isn't filled in her mind, but is not a natural leader, things could get emotional................... anyway you know all this stuff, just thought I would chip in as an insecure dominant bitch is not to be played with Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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