DeerhoundLurcherMan 997 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 How did you achieve those groups Gaz6Br? Shooting prone off a bipod? What mag scope, must have been perfect conditions? I use a leupold on 10x and even at 150m the crosshair nearly covers the 1inch sticker I use! I'm sure my loads can group better but it's me that's the weak link... Quote Link to post
Gaz6br 193 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Prone, rear bag bipod nothing fancy 223 ackley Tikka t3 action Border match barrel 1/12 twist Macmillan stock Atec mod Night force NXS np2dd Long range to 6br RPA action Krieger 1/8 twist barrel SSS stock Night force NXS np2dd Gaz 2 Quote Link to post
riflehunter583 58 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 all folks on this thread seem to be doing some good reloads. one things for sure adding upgraded parts like quality barrels and decent stocks plus nice triggers combined with quality brass = improved consistency. the thread owner has also shown how tinkering about with loads can improve groupings. makes me want to do some reloads now. Quote Link to post
riflehunter583 58 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 So after shooting some steel at 240m the other day it became apparent that my reloads are much slower and drop about 8 inches+ at that distance, whereas the 40grn vmaxs I had left was shooting spot on.... So I thought I would load another ladder of different weight powders using some 40grn nosler bt's....Using a new set of digital scales! Starting load of 27.5 then 28.0 28.5 and 29.0 Made sure the conditions was almost perfect, used a smaller target, measured out my 100y and got some much better groups and they was shooting much higher, indicating that they wasn't hanging about like my first loads... Best group was with the 28.5grn of the cfe223... 4 shots here, gutted I must have pulled the last one! haha.. Well happy with that! My only concern was with the cases after firing, it looks like they have rotated slightly scraping some brass up and leaving a tiny burr...? not sure what gun you have. but if its a remmington like mine then the extractor claw COULD BE catching on the edge of the case rim. if so its because the factory quality control is rubbish. either get a smith to grind a small bit off the edge of the extractor or buy a new one for a few quid from brownels. or do what I did and remove it carefully and file it down a very small amount. Quote Link to post
DeerhoundLurcherMan 997 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 It's a Tikka T3, I think the cases I use might need a full length resize... Quote Link to post
GEOFF.223 83 Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Out of all the rounds ive tested in my .223 it seems to like soft point not ballistic tip or hollow points Ive tried Berger 52gr hollow points Winchester silver tips 50gr Sierra blitz 55gr and 50gr Hornady ballistic tips 50gr Lapua 55gr soft point Sierra 50gr varminter 50gr the soft point were averaging 11mm 3 shot groups edge to edge at 100m The ballistic tips were averaging 18mm Was wonder why so i measured the oal of the bullets alone and the soft points are considerably shorter do i started reading up on different bullets short vs long and its seems to my reading a slow twist barrel like mine 1/12 twist will stabilise a short lighter bullet better but a longer bullet will have better stability over longer ranges. so i guess thats why alot of people are shooting 40gr bullets and getting great results Edited July 14, 2015 by GEOFF.223 1 Quote Link to post
slipper 116 Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 when i was reloading my 223 grouped 40 grain silver tips really well mate Quote Link to post
Tremo 138 Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Out of all the rounds ive tested in my .223 it seems to like soft point not ballistic tip or hollow points Ive tried Berger 52gr hollow points Winchester silver tips 50gr Sierra blitz 55gr and 50gr Hornady ballistic tips 50gr Lapua 55gr soft point Sierra 50gr varminter 50gr the soft point were averaging 11mm 3 shot groups edge to edge at 100m The ballistic tips were averaging 18mm Was wonder why so i measured the oal of the bullets alone and the soft points are considerably shorter do i started reading up on different bullets short vs long and its seems to my reading a slow twist barrel like mine 1/12 twist will stabilise a short lighter bullet better but a longer bullet will have better stability over longer ranges. so i guess thats why alot of people are shooting 40gr bullets and getting great results I would have to agree. I initially tried the 52gr AMAX. It is a longer bullet and no matter what COALs I used my results were like a shotgun. I gave up in the end. I seat my Nosler BTs at 15 thou off the lands to get the best results. Get this though, I can also seat them 40 thou off the lands and get similar results. The rifle hates anything inbetween though, and greater than 40 thou. Ballistics eh? Quote Link to post
GEOFF.223 83 Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 I cant get to close to my lands as the mag well in my rifle always has me 40 to 66th away depending on bullet profile Crimping apparently gives better accuracy in a standard bolt action rifle compared to jump to lands Also read a few paragraphs were .223 and .22 250 will either like be close to the lands 5 or 10 away or 40 to 100th away As said above between 10 and 40 is a bad area for some rifles There was someonet on here that told me there 22 250 was set at 80th back and shooting half inch grouos at 200yds Think I'll puchase my self a lee factory crimp and tried a few rounds worth a try Its suppose to create equal neck tension and fps goes up by 100fps on .224 rounds so thats a bonus Quote Link to post
DeerhoundLurcherMan 997 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 The thing I was told about crimping (which put me off) was that if you have different thicknesses of brass in the neck, the tension will be different...Obviously the thicker the brass the tighter the tension? Haven't tried it yet but I understand that annealing cases before neck sizing may give you more consistentcy with neck tension...? Quote Link to post
Tremo 138 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Nah, crimping isn't for me. Some people swear by it though. I decided to bite the bullet (pardon the pun) and buy myself a chrongraph. If the weather holds off I'll get out later and rattle a few rounds through it. . Info to follow .......... 1 Quote Link to post
Tremo 138 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 I did eventually make it out last night. I went out knowing that I was using some new brass (I don't resize new Lapua brass) so I did expect some spread/variation in the results. Results? Over 10 shots the average came out as 3365 fps. The spread was around 50fps. My last three shots gave a single ragged hole (170 yards). Nectar! This was using: Lapua Brass Fiocchi primers Nosler 40gr BTs 29.0gr CFE223 I'm going to reload this fire-formed brass and repeat the exercise next week. 1 Quote Link to post
rob reynolds uk 3 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 if you cant put your 3 bullets inside a penny at 100mtrs i would start again,change powder,bullets primers,start with the cheapest first.. Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 So after shooting some steel at 240m the other day it became apparent that my reloads are much slower and drop about 8 inches+ at that distance, whereas the 40grn vmaxs I had left was shooting spot on.... So I thought I would load another ladder of different weight powders using some 40grn nosler bt's....Using a new set of digital scales! Starting load of 27.5 then 28.0 28.5 and 29.0 Made sure the conditions was almost perfect, used a smaller target, measured out my 100y and got some much better groups and they was shooting much higher, indicating that they wasn't hanging about like my first loads... Best group was with the 28.5grn of the cfe223... 4 shots here, gutted I must have pulled the last one! haha.. Well happy with that! My only concern was with the cases after firing, it looks like they have rotated slightly scraping some brass up and leaving a tiny burr...? not sure what gun you have. but if its a remmington like mine then the extractor claw COULD BE catching on the edge of the case rim. if so its because the factory quality control is rubbish. either get a smith to grind a small bit off the edge of the extractor or buy a new one for a few quid from brownels. or do what I did and remove it carefully and file it down a very small amount. If you don't get that with factory ammo then beware you can also get case damage if your loads are overpressure although if it is the cause that's mild as it normally takes more of the lip away. Quote Link to post
riflehunter583 58 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 It's a Tikka T3, I think the cases I use might need a full length resize... could well be your cases as tikka's have better extractors than crappy Remington's. funny thing is chaps at the range said I needed to full length resize. they were wrong in my case as the claw was catching on mine. rem quality control can be questionable. 1 Quote Link to post
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