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to be fair fb i think fatman is more educated than most and going by his posts more than likely digs more than most so i could say he knows his dogs traits digging wise unlike you who sounds has cl

Some would say nervy some would say clever , personally I like a dog that can be hard in certain situations and know when to be sensible in others. Baying or mute on whatever as long as it was there w

I reckon it was more respect for the game that was in front of it,thats why it was baying.

If a quarry is found not far from an entrance and dog bayed on its tail to a stop ,which should be obvious from initial contact ,then i guess its ok but for a dog to bay whilst searching dry on a mark must be frustrating . Not seen it yet but i think i may question the reason IMO .

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2 different arguments there, if its baying when somebodys home i really dont see the problem as long as it completes the job, however wasting valuable time running every unoccupied earth you go to is another thing entirely, as i said back fill one hundred percent, any dog worth its salt or any dog that will earn its keep in my kennel will mark on a lead, the lads that come out with me will know exactly what i mean and most dogs i keep will tell u exactly what they are marking! is that really a high bar to have? because i think of it as a minimum requirment???

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A lot of fair dog's may give off abark when searching some Burrows, with scent, and hot bedding, but if you know your dog you knowwwhen its on with its type of bark, Totaly different than a dog that barks at nothing! but scent even for a minite,

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2 different arguments there, if its baying when somebodys home i really dont see the problem as long as it completes the job, however wasting valuable time running every unoccupied earth you go to is another thing entirely, as i said back fill one hundred percent, any dog worth its salt or any dog that will earn its keep in my kennel will mark on a lead, the lads that come out with me will know exactly what i mean and most dogs i keep will tell u exactly what they are marking! is that really a high bar to have? because i think of it as a minimum requirment???

i think somrthings got lost in translation. i feel the bar is set to high when good working terriers are culled simply becouse it yaps a few times whilst getting upto its fox. or maybe becouse the owner cant read a dogs working habits correctly. dogs barking in empty earths are a different thing altogether

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2 different arguments there, if its baying when somebodys home i really dont see the problem as long as it completes the job, however wasting valuable time running every unoccupied earth you go to is another thing entirely, as i said back fill one hundred percent, any dog worth its salt or any dog that will earn its keep in my kennel will mark on a lead, the lads that come out with me will know exactly what i mean and most dogs i keep will tell u exactly what they are marking! is that really a high bar to have? because i think of it as a minimum requirment???

i think somrthings got lost in translation. i feel the bar is set to high when good working terriers are culled simply becouse it yaps a few times whilst getting upto its fox. or maybe becouse the owner cant read a dogs working habits correctly. dogs barking in empty earths are a different thing altogether

couldnt agree more with you mate as long as theres something home as ive already said i dont see the problem ?

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Met a fella whilst out one morning and as I approached him at an earth I could hear his dog baying, got one in?I enquired.

Nah he's on scent came the reply, sure enough a couple of minutes later out comes dog and off they go!

I guess you could argue that at least the guy new his dog was on scent but it's not for me, if a dog cracks up I expect him to be on!

Each to there own I guess, but that's my preference. Atb

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I've got a bitch here that yaps and bays all the way around until she hits here game, once she's working up close she's all but mute............does this mean she's frightened of the dark ?

DD,did you ever consider that she may hear the game moving about and thats why she is yaping.I have 3 bitchs here that will all give a little tounge until they get to there game then mute until dug to.I used to have a dog a couple of year ago[dead now] that on his way to locating its game would actually be screaming,many the man that did not know the dog would say he was geting terrible punishment but it was only when he got to his quarry that it all went quiet,just bumping.I also [pre-ban] had a dog that would sound away on fox but on bigger game was completely mute where as in most cases it was the oppisite.Question for all ye diging lads,[pre-ban] how many terriers did ye see that would work fox and not the other even though they were only sounders and all they had to do was sit yaping into its face.?

 

Seen plenty back in the day Fatman that would work one but not the other,because sounders or not if they got charged they did not want to know about it.Have a good black dog here at the present time he takes no prisoners but he has an annoying fault when he kills something he starts trying to pull it out,its starting to do my head in.

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I've got a bitch here that yaps and bays all the way around until she hits here game, once she's working up close she's all but mute............does this mean she's frightened of the dark ?

DD,did you ever consider that she may hear the game moving about and thats why she is yaping.I have 3 bitchs here that will all give a little tounge until they get to there game then mute until dug to.I used to have a dog a couple of year ago[dead now] that on his way to locating its game would actually be screaming,many the man that did not know the dog would say he was geting terrible punishment but it was only when he got to his quarry that it all went quiet,just bumping.I also [pre-ban] had a dog that would sound away on fox but on bigger game was completely mute where as in most cases it was the oppisite.Question for all ye diging lads,[pre-ban] how many terriers did ye see that would work fox and not the other even though they were only sounders and all they had to do was sit yaping into its face.?

Its called a fox dog fatman lol

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Seen plenty back in the day Fatman that would work one but not the other,because sounders or not if they got charged they did not want to know about it.Have a good black dog here at the present time he takes no prisoners but he has an annoying fault when he kills something he starts trying to pull it out,its starting to do my head in.

Would suit someone whos shovel shy though mate .Does annoy when youve a dig on and hes backing out with it lol.

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I've got a bitch here that yaps and bays all the way around until she hits here game, once she's working up close she's all but mute............does this mean she's frightened of the dark ?

DD,did you ever consider that she may hear the game moving about and thats why she is yaping.I have 3 bitchs here that will all give a little tounge until they get to there game then mute until dug to.I used to have a dog a couple of year ago[dead now] that on his way to locating its game would actually be screaming,many the man that did not know the dog would say he was geting terrible punishment but it was only when he got to his quarry that it all went quiet,just bumping.I also [pre-ban] had a dog that would sound away on fox but on bigger game was completely mute where as in most cases it was the oppisite.Question for all ye diging lads,[pre-ban] how many terriers did ye see that would work fox and not the other even though they were only sounders and all they had to do was sit yaping into its face.?

 

Seen plenty back in the day Fatman that would work one but not the other,because sounders or not if they got charged they did not want to know about it.Have a good black dog here at the present time he takes no prisoners but he has an annoying fault when he kills something he starts trying to pull it out,its starting to do my head in.

 

Yeah we had a strong type a few year back that would pull its quarry when he heard you geting close to him,we learned to dig a couple of ft behind hin in the end and it worked for us.That lugs dog is a prat also if he kills,wants to keep it for himself,lol.

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