Bull Or Wheaten.

[terryd 8,638]

My pup also has bull and wheaton in him and he has plenty of go in him. But his a bright fella too

 

[jwhizz420 177]

isnt a Wheaton just a hairy bull, the lines more important

[Grunter123 1,112]

Lovely dogs grunter atb AT

Cheers pal

[spindolero 1,111]

 

Allan I would say I have found with mine that they are prone to getting too hot which can be an issue, i don't think working wheatons need wind in the same way that a bull would - so stamina would be a difference.

on the plus side, plenty of fire in a good wheaton, more than enough for hunting purposes, good coat, feet and as you would expect draw towards holes so handy for marking.

i plan on sticking to the wheatonx but if i was hunting different land and maybe targetting more of a different quarry i would probably look at bullx

Spindolero so do you think a bull cross would on average would have more wind than a Wheaton cross?

 

 

i would say a well conditioned pure bull would have more wind than a fit pure wheaton - thats your starting point.

the running dogs you choose to use them on will have an affect but i would say the right bull lines would have the edge

that said there are so many poor bull x out there now its difficult to sort out what's what.

[snizle06 202]

Agree with the above I'd say there are more poor bull x than any other breed, as in they are unable to perform the task they were bred for saying that I would go for the quality bull cross over any wheaten

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

 

Allan I would say I have found with mine that they are prone to getting too hot which can be an issue, i don't think working wheatons need wind in the same way that a bull would - so stamina would be a difference.

on the plus side, plenty of fire in a good wheaton, more than enough for hunting purposes, good coat, feet and as you would expect draw towards holes so handy for marking.

i plan on sticking to the wheatonx but if i was hunting different land and maybe targetting more of a different quarry i would probably look at bullx

Spindolero so do you think a bull cross would on average would have more wind than a Wheaton cross?

 

 

i would say a well conditioned pure bull would have more wind than a fit pure wheaton - thats your starting point.

the running dogs you choose to use them on will have an affect but i would say the right bull lines would have the edge

that said there are so many poor bull x out there now its difficult to sort out what's what.

 

I can only speak about these crosses from my own experience so I could be way off.

Yes. the wheaten was bred to do 6 minutes whereas the bull terrier (not the EBT) was bred to last. But for some reason or another the wheaten does have a lot of stamina and IMO a well bred wheaten cross lurcher would have as much stamina as a well bred bull cross.

I'm not sure the reason but that's what I've seen.

[spindolero 1,111]

id agree Neil that they have plenty of energy and like you i am only speaking from what i have seen, mine dont cope well early season - but it may be my conditioning.!!

likewise a good wheaton x i saw collapsed @ work once and we had to dunk him in a cattle trough to bring him round!!

 

a good friend has a 3/8 5/8 bull greyhound bitch that can cope with run after run after run on big land -

 

the other difference is size, you rarely get huge wheaton x unless they have added other stuff in, not that size is what i am after personally

 

i have noticed a trend of putting well tested bull greyhounds onto coursing bred stuff that seems to be reaping rewards for people. only what i am told though.

[neil cooney 10,416]

There's no doubt about it Spindolero some of the well bred strongdog crosses need to be very fit because the heart will want to go on when the body can't and IMO to have a dog with so much heart unfit is cruel.

I can remember more than once having to put dogs in drinks or streams to save them because they've actually punished themselves more than the job in hand has.

[spanielsandhawks 466]

most of the wheaten blood in lurchers are so diluted with other breeds that they get a bad name in most people's eyes. But it's the wheaten they blame. A wheaten beddy deerhound collie grey is somehow classed as a wheatenx? Same for the bullx. The saluki in them plays a big part, will bring a lot of wind but falls on deaf ears and more often than not don't like the sharp end. Even a 1/16 of something in the mix can play a big part. From my experience a good wheatenx is as good as any. Bit more brain on the job compared to bullx. Always ready for the job in hand. Dog I have is sound with other dogs as long as the other dosent show aggression. The bitch I have is a different kettle of fish. Wouldn't think twice about catching hold of a terrier. I have a 6 month old firstx wheaten, very laid back and retreiveing well, time will tell. Every dog is different and a lot of time is need with them. Can be very head strong. Both mine started at a very young age. I have owned and seen a good few bullx work but a lot less than a handful were any good. I had never seen a wheatenx work untill I got mine from a good freind. Way to many kids breeding shit because they look a beast!!! Facebook is fxxking up this dog game... With all the photos and DVDs being made with people trying to make a name for themselves, this dog game will be a thing of the passed.. Just my two pence worth ATB.

[Sammy666 49]

iv always had a bullx but got a wheatenxcolliexgreyhound because I wanted something different just hope she works as well as the bullx she was 12 months old in march. Next year will tell if she got what it takes for the foxes done all right on the bunnys so far just taking it easy with her she still a big pup roll on September.

[Cleanspade 3,324]

i favour the wheaten cross i have one that will bush ferret retreive ( no live ) but is a good all round pesters dog. can be a little dog aggressive but works well with my terrier bitches. its personal prefarence but you need the right base stock in your dog to be able to judge them fairly