Line Or Family

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Who made up the term family ,what is that ,dog ,bitch ,three pups and grand dam annex.A group of the same is a type. I agree all credit remains with original breeder until the recipe is changed then all credit goes to he who maintains a line or better still improves it .All lines start with a type whether related or not ,the aim being to combine the best qualities of both to produce producers of the same .When these producers are arrived at its time to call it a line .The quick fix is to turn back in ,those with patience however will breed the best to the best and accept no other .

[yorkshire 151]

same thing but different way of putting it isn't it? line, strain, family? Another question is when does a man call a 'line' his own?????? After 1 litter? After 5 generations? If ever at all?

When the man wants fame , fortune , or both , normally lol

[the goat 642]

Sadly that's very true.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

So cynical lads .Perhaps just maybe there are some that want nothing more than to help others and guide them along the way .

[steve t 931]

so if a few mates have brothers sisters mothers uncles etc and breed from the best from them and keep going for a few generations they'll eventually start throwing similar types and this then is a recognisable line?

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

To me and i stress only my opinion ,a line is nothing unless the outcome of a mating is predictable .Haphazard turning in just because they are related will be the ruination mate .Not every dog and bitch related will produce the same when mated .Trial and error to begin with is what matters until you hit on what works .Simliar comes from repeat matings .Once these are produced ,put back to original stud and your off .Breed enough to sort through to start with but avoid mass production as things move on ,will only lead to it getting out of hand and untried stock used in matings .Look to the future not just the here and now .Cull whats not your ideal ,harsh but necessary .

[foxbolter 447]

you could own too different lines mate them and its still your line

[Zilverhaze 1,627]

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Edited April 3, 2015 by Zilverhaze

[Zilverhaze 1,627]

come on glyn i see u at the bottom share with me me some of that knoladge you built up over the years haha

[Glyn..... 5,208]

in my opinion your on the right track, get ready for a lot of disappointments, like terriers not being good enough to breed from, losing that real good one , dogs you've farmed out to others not available for all the reasons under the sun , don't try and do it all on your own it can't be done .....most important thing don't lie to yourself

 

edited to say are your base stock line bred from different lines or breeding unknown ? also don't go culling healthy pups you my regret it ,

 

edited again to say putting Joe over this daughter and then his daughter/ grand daughter, will give you no/little flexibility and force you to use new blood , which then will undo your inbreeding, if you where to produce a half brothers/sisters to pup A and then breeding them , it will give your breeding plan longevity

Edited April 2, 2015 by Glyn.....

[Zilverhaze 1,627]

thanks base stock are all line bread from same lines diffrent branches but i want to go forwards with as much buster in ther as possible

[the goat 642]

in my opinion your on the right track, get ready for a lot of disappointments, like terriers not being good enough to breed from, losing that real good one , dogs you've farmed out to others not available for all the reasons under the sun , don't try and do it all on your own it can't be done .....most important thing don't lie to yourself

 

edited to say are your base stock line bred from different lines or breeding unknown ? also don't go culling healthy pups you my regret it

seems very sound advice. Good post.

[Zilverhaze 1,627]

i think the hardest part is going to be finding the right people to go forwards with

[Glyn..... 5,208]

i would go back to the person who has been line breeding them and ask for some advise he may well know of a dog bred like buster work like buster and throws pups like buster , you have to ask yourself are you trying to take a line forward or are you trying to reinvent the wheel try and find some books on breeding animals for propose i'll read any thing to do with stock breeding be it cattle to fowl to pit dogs

Edited April 2, 2015 by Glyn.....

[marshman 7,757]

Zilverhaze or you could go down Foxbolters much simpler route of getting two different lines breeding them together and then just saying its your line lol