Overrunning On Lamp

[stormyboy 1,352]

 

 

Sorry if this has already been cleared up, I stopped reading at the end of page 4.

Casso, you seem to be clued up on how to raise working dogs and pretty much everything you have said has been sound advice. However I think you may have missed the point of this post and the others replys which is, I believe, Bennys inexperienced lurcher is failing to see rabbits when he is out lamping, He is slipping his dog when he thinks it has seen the rabbit but it hasnt and so just runs down the lamp and keeps on running. Which is the reason slipping the dog on a 50yrd rabbit would be bad because the dog wouldnt see it. So Benny needs to walk up to squatters with the torch on the rabbit so that the dog realises that at the end of the beam is a rabbit. may be wrong but I think thats whats going on.

 

well said.in my view its pointless slipping a dog a young dog if it don't know whats at the end of beam.the dog must be taught to follow the beam.also lotsa of pet training is the first thing to teach a dog.recall,fetchn retrieve.sit.stay,leave. etc are all needed in a working lurcher before its taken to lamp.

Dog don't need to learn any of that to work the lamp , you'll get a natural retrieve if the dog believes the sunshines out of your ass , recall is the last thing I want to do on the lamp , sit , stay leave not at all , dreaming you are

 

 

You talk a lot of sense casso, but a dog doesn't need basic obedience to work the lamp?? In an earlier post I believe you said it should be well mannered before entering-one of the most sensible statements on the thread. As for a 'natural retrieve', without training reinforcement a dog can stop retrieving just as 'naturally' no matter how bright the sun shines!

[Casso 1,261]

It's not about buying dogs here there or anywhere else, it's not about teaching rules and instructions , it's about the dog wanting to be in sync with you ,

When you get to the stage where the mutt is second guessing you , knows what you want , knows by your reactions what's on the far end of the beam by the way you've just knocked it off , knows where your headed and when he's hissed on can be at the far end of the beam without the light ,

When it's gets to that stage bud there are no words needed

[Casso 1,261]

I can't think of a worst place to have to recall , out in the middle of a field trying to be as quiet as you can , the dog chases and he comes back you don't need recall to work a dog on the lamp,

 

From the time he was a pup out walking with me , I stop in my tracks , he goes on , stops and can't figure out what's going on , he can jump through hoops as far as I'm concerned but until he figures out to come back and stand beside me we go nowhere, once he's figured out to stand by my side is how things get moving again we have a silent recall , it's just practiced as a pup as an adult it's second nature

[stormyboy 1,352]

Surely what you're describing is experience, things the dog learns from it? It's still recall training just done slightly differently.

[Casso 1,261]

It does come from experience, the dogs experience of working with its owner , it's a pack a group mind , the dog learns to be in sync , what you don't want it don't want

When we look deeper we find that the actual act of working a dog makes it social , the saluki an ancient breed can become a severely loyal bonded dog through work , not the other way round , have patience manage the mutt and the longer you work together the more social the dog will be , a dog don't need to be trained to listen or obey instructions , it become social through the hunt

[Qbgrey 4,089]

Casso if it works for you that all that matters.personally I think its bollacks but that's my take on it.

[Casso 1,261]

Happy hunting to you too, thanks for your informed input ,

[stormyboy 1,352]

Casso if it works for you that all that matters.personally I think its *bollacks but that's my take on it.

 

 

*bollOcks. lol

[Casso 1,261]

 

Casso if it works for you that all that matters.personally I think its *bollacks but that's my take on it.

 

 

*bollOcks. lol

Maybe that's the way he says it

[Benny31 1]

Sorry if this has already been cleared up, I stopped reading at the end of page 4.

Casso, you seem to be clued up on how to raise working dogs and pretty much everything you have said has been sound advice. However I think you may have missed the point of this post and the others replys which is, I believe, Bennys inexperienced lurcher is failing to see rabbits when he is out lamping, He is slipping his dog when he thinks it has seen the rabbit but it hasnt and so just runs down the lamp and keeps on running. Which is the reason slipping the dog on a 50yrd rabbit would be bad because the dog wouldnt see it. So Benny needs to walk up to squatters with the torch on the rabbit so that the dog realises that at the end of the beam is a rabbit. may be wrong but I think thats whats going on.

Yes pretty much spot on with whats happening.

 

Thanks for everyones input on this thread.

 

Ive taken her out a few times since I started this thread but conditions have not been ideal. Maybe ill have to wait till October time now.

I wont give up on her though.....

[whitefeet4190 1,725]

We're east anglia are you.....I'm In Ipswich and if you want .you can come out with me and a mate on the lamp with your dog to get it started if you like ....atb

Nice offer that mate but sounds like the lad needs help before another dog gets put on the merry go round

[look up 406]

 

We're east anglia are you.....I'm In Ipswich and if you want .you can come out with me and a mate on the lamp with your dog to get it started if you like ....atb

Nice offer that mate but sounds like the lad needs help before another dog gets put on the merry go round

Cheers mate and the offer will still stand...... you can lead a horse to water ..but you can't make it drink.. Atb Edited April 8, 2015 by look up